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Old 08-31-2015, 02:24 PM
 
Location: southern california
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My success rate looke at my social security wage print out after I joined the church
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Old 08-31-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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I know my religion is right because..
if my child is born with a horrible disease and only lives for 7 days in a pain you can't even begin to imagine only to have all his organs fail and eventually die, he should have to spend all of eternity in hell for original sin because we didn't get the chance to have an old man sprinkle magic water on his head before he died.

To say everything happens for a reason is one of the most selfish thing's I've ever heard. You're assuming everything happens for a reason and you are the center of the universe. What about the poor people it happens to. That little baby, that is now spending all of eternity in hell.. please explain their reason.. and don't say "there can't be joy without suffering blah blah blah" I'm saying that child, explain to them that there was a reason for 7 days of painful life and now all of time spent in hell.

Religion spreads hate, war and money waaaaaaaaay more than it spreads love, help and understanding.
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Old 08-31-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Spirituality, in itself can not be true or false. It is bounded on belief or a somewhat more sense of faith. A personal belief is just that.

What creates havoc, is a more dogmatic, organized beliefs and faiths that often (but not always) characterize religious institutions, which eventually morph into money making enterprises, which actually describes most large institutional endeavors including atheist organizations and scientific institutions.

For me, I am comfortable with my spirituality and encourage others to find their own, especially as they grow older. But suggesting one belief or religion is superior to another, for me, just raises a red flag that someone is trying to make money, and this goes as much for medical and scientific enterprises as it does for organized religions.

Observe how all money making enterprises insist they have the True Path to the Truth. It has always been so.

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Old 08-31-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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I know my religion is right because..
if my child is born with a horrible disease and only lives for 7 days in a pain you can't even begin to imagine only to have all his organs fail and eventually die, he should have to spend all of eternity in hell for original sin because we didn't get the chance to have an old man sprinkle magic water on his head before he died.

To say everything happens for a reason is one of the most selfish thing's I've ever heard. You're assuming everything happens for a reason and you are the center of the universe. What about the poor people it happens to. That little baby, that is now spending all of eternity in hell.. please explain their reason.. and don't say "there can't be joy without suffering blah blah blah" I'm saying that child, explain to them that there was a reason for 7 days of painful life and now all of time spent in hell.

Religion spreads hate, war and money waaaaaaaaay more than it spreads love, help and understanding.
Yeah, Sam Harris has made essentially the same point. At this moment there are infants being born with horrific birth defects that won't survive more than a few hours. These infants are incapable of understanding
language, much less the concept of 'god'. So either god doesn't exist; exists, but is incapable of helping them; or doesn't help them if it could. Either way, it's not something worth worshiping.

It's funny that most people who perceive intent (god) in nature have good lives they feel they deserve, while others who are less fortunate either deserve to be less fortunate, or it's just 'god's mysterious ways'.

The reality is that so much of what happens is a consequence of randomness, i.e. luck. So infants are unlucky and born with horrific birth defects. It's that simple: no god, just luck or lack thereof.
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Old 08-31-2015, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Aloverton
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there are hundreds, if not thousands, of religions and gods. How do you know you have chosen wisely?
I don't believe there is one right religion that humanity knows, nor do I think it'd be desirable to find one. Mine has both philosophical and supernatural components. I can't prove the latter, but they are no less plausible than any other supernatural belief unsupported by any objective science. The former appeal to me because they square with my sense of fundamental rightness in human conduct, which means that when I am conflicted, there is a reasonable possibility my religion can suggest a wise path to me.
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Old 08-31-2015, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Religion is a platform for philosophy, and mine is the correct one because it's the one most pragmatically beneficial to me.
How many have you tried? There's always room for doubt.
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Old 08-31-2015, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Canada
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there are hundreds, if not thousands, of religions and gods. How do you know you have chosen wisely?
Because it makes me feel good about myself. That's all.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY
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My religion works for me, I don't care if it works for others. I would just prefer people try and understand it has nothing to do with any christain type faith, nokatter how much one wants it to be.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Where did the idea that everybody has to have a religion come from?
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Old 09-01-2015, 12:05 AM
 
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Monotheism demands absolute belief. But that isn't the same thing as the gods behind it. Its all made by man- but there is something there. For me, its easy, all religions are correct, god is in the center and that has many, many faces. SO yeah, this one is right, and that one is right, for different people.

That is why it is doubly stupid to be fighting over whose god is right. Or even whether there is a god at all. The smugness of atheists is really the same thing as the smugness of the Jesus crowd. Live and let live.
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