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Old 08-31-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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I know my religion is right because..
if my child is born with a horrible disease and only lives for 7 days in a pain you can't even begin to imagine only to have all his organs fail and eventually die, he should have to spend all of eternity in hell for original sin because we didn't get the chance to have an old man sprinkle magic water on his head before he died.

To say everything happens for a reason is one of the most selfish thing's I've ever heard. You're assuming everything happens for a reason and you are the center of the universe. What about the poor people it happens to. That little baby, that is now spending all of eternity in hell.. please explain their reason.. and don't say "there can't be joy without suffering blah blah blah" I'm saying that child, explain to them that there was a reason for 7 days of painful life and now all of time spent in hell.

Religion spreads hate, war and money waaaaaaaaay more than it spreads love, help and understanding.
Yeah, Sam Harris has made essentially the same point. At this moment there are infants being born with horrific birth defects that won't survive more than a few hours. These infants are incapable of understanding
language, much less the concept of 'god'. So either god doesn't exist; exists, but is incapable of helping them; or doesn't help them if it could. Either way, it's not something worth worshiping.

It's funny that most people who perceive intent (god) in nature have good lives they feel they deserve, while others who are less fortunate either deserve to be less fortunate, or it's just 'god's mysterious ways'.

The reality is that so much of what happens is a consequence of randomness, i.e. luck. So infants are unlucky and born with horrific birth defects. It's that simple: no god, just luck or lack thereof.
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Old 08-31-2015, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Aloverton
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there are hundreds, if not thousands, of religions and gods. How do you know you have chosen wisely?
I don't believe there is one right religion that humanity knows, nor do I think it'd be desirable to find one. Mine has both philosophical and supernatural components. I can't prove the latter, but they are no less plausible than any other supernatural belief unsupported by any objective science. The former appeal to me because they square with my sense of fundamental rightness in human conduct, which means that when I am conflicted, there is a reasonable possibility my religion can suggest a wise path to me.
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Old 08-31-2015, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Religion is a platform for philosophy, and mine is the correct one because it's the one most pragmatically beneficial to me.
How many have you tried? There's always room for doubt.
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Old 08-31-2015, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Canada
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there are hundreds, if not thousands, of religions and gods. How do you know you have chosen wisely?
Because it makes me feel good about myself. That's all.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY
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My religion works for me, I don't care if it works for others. I would just prefer people try and understand it has nothing to do with any christain type faith, nokatter how much one wants it to be.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Where did the idea that everybody has to have a religion come from?
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Old 09-01-2015, 12:05 AM
 
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Monotheism demands absolute belief. But that isn't the same thing as the gods behind it. Its all made by man- but there is something there. For me, its easy, all religions are correct, god is in the center and that has many, many faces. SO yeah, this one is right, and that one is right, for different people.

That is why it is doubly stupid to be fighting over whose god is right. Or even whether there is a god at all. The smugness of atheists is really the same thing as the smugness of the Jesus crowd. Live and let live.
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Old 09-01-2015, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Not-a-Theist
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All humans has an inherent sex drive [DNA and neural based] that compel [consciously and unconsciously] the individuals of opposite sex to seek out each other to copulate. This drive is so forceful and when become lust has resulted in terrible evils and violence being committed by SOME humans. As with any thing else there are exceptions, homosexuality or no sex drive at all.

Similarly but more fundamental is an inherent unavoidable existential dilemma drive in humans that compel humans to seek relief for the manifesting mental pains of angst, hopelessness, anxieties and despairs. This is why 90% of humans are religious [theistic and non-theistic].

The existential dilemma generate terrible 'pains' in a subliminal manner and most the mainstream religions [Abrahamic and Eastern religions] is generally 'right' for anyone who merely adopt it positively by merely believing whatever is demanded by any of the major religion.
It is easily deem to be 'right' because by merely believing the major effect of the terrible pains and angst disappear immediately, like an injection of morphine.

The Abrahamic and Eastern religions are generally 'right' for anyone who adopt it. Any choice or decision is merely due to superficial factors, like parents' religions, culture, race, geographical, etc. The number of those conversion to another religions or becoming non-religious at present is not significant at all.

The Abrahamic religion is the most effective with almost 50% of all believers.

Until human develop new methods to replace religions to deal with the inherent and unavoidable existential dilemma humanity will have to tolerate with religions.

However, what humanity should be very concern with at present is whether a religion itself [via its holy book and ethos] directly inspire SOME of its followers to commit terrible evils and violence on non-believers. We need to do something urgently about such a religion.
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Old 09-01-2015, 04:45 AM
 
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Every religious person thinks they have the only "right" religion. They're bible is the right one also. Religion is a BUSINESS. These scavengers should pay taxes like anyone else. Their objective is to get as much money from you as possible. You can't believe or trust most of these pious people....
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:12 AM
 
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My success rate looke at my social security wage print out after I joined the church
so, you think your God increased your salary because you joined a church? Did everyone's salary increase after they joined said church? Are you gonna feel the same when something bad happens? I'm really not trying to be a butthole but to say what you said seems a little off to me.
I was once married to a "superchristian" and she believed when you do good you get good and do bad get bad...in a nutshell, we divorced rather quickly and I left the church. {We lived together for months after our marriage went south.} Anyway, one day she got an unexpected bill for nearly $1000 and I got an unexpected check for several hundred. Yeah, I got the last laugh that day.
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