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Old 11-03-2016, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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I agree. Everything we know is in a constant state of flux and outcomes are always uncertain. I think the Daoists and Heraclitus embraced this point of view. But it doesn't keep humans from trying.
yeah, they keep trying...

it's futile, but they keep trying...
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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The short answer to your question is hubris. The slightly longer answer is that it's a human tendency to overestimate benefits and underestimate difficulties, plus, we don't want to credit the notion that our parents / elders aren't lame fools compared to us.

To the somewhat separate question of the general story arc of the human experiment, I think it's going as well as could be expected. Humanity is digging its way out of a very deep hole of ignorance and superstition. It's better to be alive now than even 50 years ago, much less 500 years ago. It still sucks though in many ways. So it goes.
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Old 11-05-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: not normal, IL
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I realize that some people don't see how futile is the idea of trying to "shape the world" in some "long lasting" way...

Even if you or your group succeed in "shaping" the whole world according to your beliefs or preferences, that "shape" won't last more than a few centuries, at most...

The world is always changing, and even if you shape the entire world according to your will, in no more than 300 or 400 years the world will be totally different from what you "achieved" for a while...
I think it is a belief of a form of immortality. It might only last 300-400 years but that is longer than the person will last. Plus, when they die, they won't know how long it will last, giving them solace upon death. The solace that they don't know how long that it will last replaces that of life's questionable end. You can use big movements or kings, but look at art forms, crafts, and tools of the poor and sick. They put pride in their work as they want to be remembered after they are gone. Immortality or at least 'limited immortality', just like the pharos.
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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I think it is a belief of a form of immortality. It might only last 300-400 years but that is longer than the person will last. Plus, when they die, they won't know how long it will last, giving them solace upon death. The solace that they don't know how long that it will last replaces that of life's questionable end. You can use big movements or kings, but look at art forms, crafts, and tools of the poor and sick. They put pride in their work as they want to be remembered after they are gone. Immortality or at least 'limited immortality', just like the pharos.
so futile...

after the Sun runs out of hydrogen, grows, and swallows Earth, nothing of that will exist any more
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Old 11-07-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: not normal, IL
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so futile... after the Sun runs out of hydrogen, grows, and swallows Earth, nothing of that will exist any more
SO MUCH WRONG HERE!
If we can achieve adequate space(interplanetary and interstellar travel) and adequate life support on these vessels, we can out live the solar system. In the archives of these vessels, the records, art, and culture can live on. To put it into perspective, we have done the same things in the past to overcome the obstacles that were presented. Why did we do it, to survive and spread our knowledge. In this preservation of knowledge, the memory of those who died lives on, Immortality. Yes, some information will be lost, but we most likely won't know that at the present time of death.
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