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Old 07-09-2016, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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Hi,
Thought I'd add my thoughts on the subject .

Referencing: Gen_3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:......

"Us" meaning gods, but in a lower case "g", being that we are in the flesh subject to the things in the flesh.

In other words, short off.

Having said that, yes, we are potentially prone to evil deeds because we are as gods knowing both good and evil.

To justify my statement above and to give some credence to the OP's reasoning, I quote the following verse:
Rom_2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Leaving religious beliefs out, the determining factor here is the exercise of the conscience. ("a law unto themselves") Self governed = gods.

The "good" people must take authority. Otherwise, the evil ones, (No conscience) will reek havoc on the rest.

The flesh is our doom. Our spirit, being in right standing with God, will overcome all fleshly desires to the point of being absolved from all of it in a perfect state.

Point of it all?

To learn to manage the state of being gods.....who knows, we might get assigned to some planet to govern....be it with did a good job here.


Blessings, AJ
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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Speak for yourselves. I'm perfect special, beautiful, and wonderful.
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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Speak for yourselves. I'm perfect special, beautiful, and wonderful.
I'm glad you think so.

Blessings, AJ
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:53 AM
 
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Evil is absolutely the norm when it comes to living in the natural material world....Nature itself is intrinsically evil. Nature is unjust...cruel and predatorial. This is a fact of life. As it says it scripture to para phrase..."I will make them a little less than the angels"....Our purpose is to become less natural...and become super natural. Our job is to dominate nature and control it. We are capable of being more than mere animals.
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:54 AM
 
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Agreed.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:52 AM
 
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Why is "beastly" (animal-like) evil?

Do you believe all animals are evil, then?

Do you believe surviving, having food and shelter and having loved ones are evil?

Even "in the natural world", as it's being put, evil is relative. The mouse thinks the cat is evil. The cat just thinks it's hungry. There IS no other way to procure food (from the cat's perspective) than to kill something. Indeed, we all have to eat killed/dead things (either animal or plant) in order to survive. How is it "being evil" that we do what we literally either have to do, or we drop dead?
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:11 PM
 
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Why is "beastly" (animal-like) evil?

Do you believe all animals are evil, then?

Do you believe surviving, having food and shelter and having loved ones are evil?

Even "in the natural world", as it's being put, evil is relative. The mouse thinks the cat is evil. The cat just thinks it's hungry. There IS no other way to procure food (from the cat's perspective) than to kill something. Indeed, we all have to eat killed/dead things (either animal or plant) in order to survive. How is it "being evil" that we do what we literally either have to do, or we drop dead?
ALL animals has the following beastly instincts;

1. To survive at all costs
2. The 4Fs, fight, flight, food, fu<k.
2. Fight or flight
3. Kill or be killed


To survive with the 4Fs, all beasts has the instincts to fight, maim, resort to violence, various aggressions or kill.
The above responses are supported by the relevant and respective neural circuits.

Now it is obvious the above instincts are embedded in the DNA of All humans.
Therefore ALL humans are animal-like and beastly.

Because all the above responses are fully instinctual and there is no moral [good or evil] elements, as such there is no association of good or evil with animals and beasts. So when the lion mauls or eats a human, there is no question of 'evil' at all.

Because humans with the above beastly natures has a moral faculty [as an exception], therefore it is appropriate to associate 'good' or 'evil' with humans.

Thus the OP,
ALL Human Beings are Potentially Beastly and Evil.

Why not all humans are beastly and evil at all times is because their inherent potential to be beastly and evil are inhibited/suppressed LOOSELY by neural inhibitors of the moral faculty.

Those who has very loose neural inhibitors has active evil tendencies and they are prone to commit evils and violence when the inhibitors are weakened or damaged by various factors [stress, lesions, chemicals, etc.] and they are triggered by various stimuli. Note even the drawing of cartoons of a prophet can trigger some very sensitive ones to kill.
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Old 07-12-2016, 06:20 AM
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ALL animals has the following beastly instincts;

1. To survive at all costs
2. The 4Fs, fight, flight, food, fu<k.
2. Fight or flight
3. Kill or be killed


To survive with the 4Fs, all beasts has the instincts to fight, maim, resort to violence, various aggressions or kill.
The above responses are supported by the relevant and respective neural circuits.

Now it is obvious the above instincts are embedded in the DNA of All humans.
Therefore ALL humans are animal-like and beastly.

Because all the above responses are fully instinctual and there is no moral [good or evil] elements, as such there is no association of good or evil with animals and beasts. So when the lion mauls or eats a human, there is no question of 'evil' at all.

Because humans with the above beastly natures has a moral faculty [as an exception], therefore it is appropriate to associate 'good' or 'evil' with humans.

Thus the OP,
ALL Human Beings are Potentially Beastly and Evil.

Why not all humans are beastly and evil at all times is because their inherent potential to be beastly and evil are inhibited/suppressed LOOSELY by neural inhibitors of the moral faculty.

Those who has very loose neural inhibitors has active evil tendencies and they are prone to commit evils and violence when the inhibitors are weakened or damaged by various factors [stress, lesions, chemicals, etc.] and they are triggered by various stimuli. Note even the drawing of cartoons of a prophet can trigger some very sensitive ones to kill.
Agreed, EXCEPT for the last sentence or at least the undertext behind that last sentence - that only physical hurts, harms, or degradations should be counted as evil. Psychological attacks, especially on one's dignity, can be every bit as damaging to a person as a physical attack. Were that not true, then why object to political correctness at all? Politically correct rebukes are just words or other expressions after all. Aren't the anti-PC crowds getting oversensitive toward PC?

In fact, continued exposure to messages clearly intended to marginalize and denigrate people simply because of what they believe about politics, philosophy, economics, etc. IS just as hurtful, even harmful, to one's functioning as a serious physical attack can be. Otherwise, why object to a suburban Mississippi schoolteacher saying to (or at least in front) of an atheist student "Atheists complain they have no special day. They have one. It's called April Fool's Day. Because you're a fool if you don't believe in God"* if not to protect other atheist students from widespread marginalization?

*Actual incident about 18-24 months ago at Northwest Rankin High School in suburban Jackson.
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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All human beings have these four things in common.

1. Being born
2. Becoming aware of our intellectual abilities
3. Consequences due to decisions
4. Death

Animals
1. being born
2. survival instincts
3. No control over environment
4. Death

Only two things in common between the two: 1. Being born and 4. Death.

Blessings, AJ
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Old 07-13-2016, 12:21 AM
 
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Agreed, EXCEPT for the last sentence or at least the undertext behind that last sentence - that only physical hurts, harms, or degradations should be counted as evil. Psychological attacks, especially on one's dignity, can be every bit as damaging to a person as a physical attack. Were that not true, then why object to political correctness at all? Politically correct rebukes are just words or other expressions after all. Aren't the anti-PC crowds getting oversensitive toward PC?
Btw, I did not assert evil is related to physical matter ONLY. I acknowledge psychological and mental tortures imposed on another are evil as well.

Evil [as opposed to 'good'] is a very loose term, therefore to make sense we have to define what we meant by evil clearly that is acceptable to those discussing the topic. As usual to ensure I have at least some credibility on the topic, I have done very extensive research on the subject of 'evil.'

Basically [not going into depth] in relation to the psychological related evils we need to put them in perspective within the range of evil from low [1] to high[100]. I would rate evil of the likes of mass genocides as 99/100 and minor crimes at say 5/100. With this range in mind we can work out way to put psychological related evils [cannot be 99/100] along that continuum.
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