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In every generation you can find plenty of people who think that science has explained all of the most basic and important stuff, and that future science just needs to fill in the minor details. So far, every generation has been proven wrong. It is possible, of course, that we, in this generation, have reached the end of revolutionary science, but I am personally inclined to not bet on it. I would also point out that those who have historically insisted that we are done with revolutionary science have made their arguments based on the idea that there is "no conceivable way" for any new theory to "violate" this or that theory and still explain the old, well-verified data. Generally, what turns out to be missing is merely a sufficient level of imagination, and this lack of imagination is caused by an overly zealous commitment to the popular current paradigm. The trick of genius is to step back and question the "obvious" things that "everybody knows".
What I'm saying is that NDEs don't have to be "beyond science", and they certainly don't mean that we have to become creationists, or convert to some religion, or believe in fairy tales. Just because current physics can't explain how NDEs can happen, it does not follow that future science couldn't explain them. There are impressive reports of NDE that are really hard to explain. Yes they are anecdotal, but this doesn't mean that they are worthless.
Right. I agree with the general thought of your thread. One of the things that struck me when I got my doctorate in the medical field is that we really don't know much at all. For myself I'm a Christian and sometimes get some flack from people about "blind faith", yet I always find it odd that most people who are strong believers of the current science trends are essentially doing the same thing. One can be all smug about how the "world's just about all figured out now" or some other similar phraseology but what needs to be considered is that the stuff's that's "all figured out" tends to change quite a bit. At one point in time, people would have thought you were crazy if you thought the earth wasn't flat. We think we're *so* far advanced from that unsophisticated way of thinking, but I'm sorry, we're just not. There will be things hundreds of years from now that are beyond people's capacity to comprehend right now that people in that generation will think we're barbaric for not having any knowledge of it now.
I just think it might be wise for us to humble ourselves and realize that there is a vast, vast amount of things to understand out there and we are no where near to understanding even a fraction of it.
Yup. I figure it's just like going to sleep at night, except you never wake up. Since your body is dead and there is no brain activity, there is no dreaming or anything like that so you are gone, you just don't know it.
When you die, you sort of go into a "sleep" like state for a few years or so. Then you will be resurrected when the Lord God comes back down to earth on the day of judgement. All of humanity, living and dead, will be brought before God so God can decide if they are worthy of heaven of not. If they are not, they shall be punished in hell for forever. If they are, then they proceed to Heaven to dwell with God And Jesus forever.
Note: Since in the afterlife there's no sense of time, God judges humanity all at once
If NDE occurs during flat-lined brain activity, then clearly some new theories of physics will be needed (or, at least, some radically new theory of consciousness in which conscious experience is not reducible to neural correlates).
Are you familiar with Dr. Eben Alexander's experience?
There is no scientific explanation for the fact that while my body lay in coma, my mind—my conscious, inner self—was alive and well.While the neurons of my cortex were stunned to complete inactivity by the bacteria that had attacked them, my brain-free consciousness journeyed to another, larger dimension of the universe: a dimension I’d never dreamed existed and which the old, pre-coma me would have been more than happy to explain was a simple impossibility.
Do you go to heaven, can you still see and breathe, will you have a next life?
Oh sweetheart, I wish I believed this. I tried to for years. Or actually, decades. But none of it ever made logical sense in the end, nor did I receive any sort of an "epiphany." I truly believe we want to believe in life after death because we simply can not accept that things AREN'T fair in this life. We WANT everything to measure up in the end. We want the bad guys to get theirs, we want to be forgiven our own bad guy stuff because we're convinced we exclusively had "good" reasons for our actions, and we want a huge reward for every slight we've suffered. But I don't believe we get it - for good or for ill. I believe life is hard, with some fun thrown in (especially if we try hard to achieve that fun), but that some perceived wrongs will never be righted and there will be no giant reward simply for having existed and not killed somebody in cold blood or something.
When we die, we no longer "are," and our bodies disintegrate.
I dont believe that there's a heaven as we've been told. I wish there was and I'm jealous of the believers, there must be a certain peace that they have. I think Einstein was right in his energy thoughts. I believe we are energy that probably just shifts in some way or another. I don't know at the end of the day.
I dont believe that there's a heaven as we've been told. I wish there was and I'm jealous of the believers, there must be a certain peace that they have. I think Einstein was right in his energy thoughts. I believe we are energy that probably just shifts in some way or another. I don't know at the end of the day.
I'm jealous of believers too.
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