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Old 03-27-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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Democracy

Oligarchy then degenerates into democracy where freedom is the supreme good but freedom is also slavery.(correct in observable world)
In democracy, the lower class grows bigger and bigger. (correct in observable world)
The poor become the winners. Diversity is supreme. (correct in observable world)
People are free to do what they want and live how they want. (correct in observable world)
People can even break the law if they so choose.(correct in observable world) This appears to be very similar to anarchy.

Plato uses the "democratic man" to represent democracy. The democratic man is the son of the oligarchic man. Unlike his father, the democratic man is consumed with unnecessary desires.(correct in observable world)
Plato describes necessary desires as desires that we have out of instinct or desires that we have in order to survive. Unnecessary desires are desires we can teach ourselves to resist such as the desire for riches. The democratic man takes great interest in all the things he can buy with his money. (correct in observable world)
He does whatever he wants whenever he wants to do it. (correct in observable world)
His life has no order or priority.(correct in observable world)

That said, according to Plato, democracy is one of the lowest types of regimes, followed by tyranny and further, final decay of human. Thereafter it is chaos, degradation and involution.

On the other hand, democracy is served to people as one of the highest regimes by those in power.
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Old 04-01-2016, 08:59 AM
 
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How is the quoting of Plato supposed to be an appropriate commentary on our modern notions of democracy? I can't understand the relationship between Plato and democracy as anything but the speculations of an imperfect man commenting on the imperfection of societal constructs. Humans have been creating systemic solutions to their problems for thousands of years, one of those was the theory of inclusive democracy, Plato's era had no such notions of democracy, human slavery was a reality and one which Plato thought to be part of the natural order of things.

"nature herself intimates that it is just for the better to have more than the worse, the more powerful than the weaker; and in many ways she shows, among men as well as among animals, and indeed among whole cities and races, that justice consists in the superior ruling over and having more than the inferior."
Plato,
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Old 04-02-2016, 07:47 AM
 
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Because every you just used a bunch of meaningless phrases that apply only in the Ivory Tower and not in the real world. Apply enough BS and you can philosophize anything.
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Old 04-02-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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Because every you just used a bunch of meaningless phrases that apply only in the Ivory Tower and not in the real world. Apply enough BS and you can philosophize anything.
yup. unicorns and rainbows. Perfect world solutions, well, as long as its their perfect world.
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