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Old 06-05-2018, 05:16 PM
 
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We’re not that great. No.
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Old 06-06-2018, 05:22 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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No - too many humans destroy everything they touch. We don't need to ruin another planet.
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:40 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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No - too many humans destroy everything they touch. We don't need to ruin another planet.
I look at this mentality like: What better alternative is there than humans?

Nonhumans, so far as I can tell, live lives of Darwinian struggle which humans might someday completely escape from, and we're the only beings who even might get a shot at that.

With nonhumans, there is no value to their improvement, in a sense. If the wolves become more successful, that harms other organisms. If the sheep get better at fleeing the wolves, that just harms the wolves. Humans are the only organisms who stand a chance of getting to the point where their improvement results in nothing but positives.

So that's why I want humans to spread amongst the stars.
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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I'm willing to pay to eject liberals into space.
I don't know a huge amount about politics...but I'm rabidly socially liberal. Can you just pay me a million dollars to move to Australia or something instead of space? It'll be cheaper that way.
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Old 06-10-2018, 12:14 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I don't know a huge amount about politics...but I'm rabidly socially liberal. Can you just pay me a million dollars to move to Australia or something instead of space? It'll be cheaper that way.
Well, the question in the OP seems to be asking about survival of humanity as a race, not as individuals. I'd like to see us reach the peak of the promise we seem to hold, so I'd chip in for a kind of genetic ark.

But I don't think that individuals would be travelling - maybe an essential crew in stasis, in case anything went wrong on the trip. Otherwise, I expect it would be the genetic material of humans, cattle, dogs, fish, whales, crops, trees, etc. & vats & related equipment - to bring the genetic material to term & decant them - to construct a complete biome @ arrival.
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Old 06-10-2018, 04:46 PM
 
Location: In the Pearl of the Purchase, Ky
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I think somebody has been watching too many Twilight Zone reruns
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:10 PM
 
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The question is unnecessary. Our power source, the sun, will die in about five billion years. We will have developed interstellar travel before that. I should say the future version of ourselves will, as our current biological form will be enhanced or upgraded.

The answer is yes for most people. In order for the species to survive, individuals have to survive first. At the family unit level, parents naturally want their children to survive in the future. Thus, the species will fight to survive.

Among the hundreds of millions of species that have existed and are existing on earth, we are the only one blessed with gift of technological intelligence. What could be a better use of this gift than finding a way to survive and thrive beyond the confine of earth?
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:27 AM
 
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I'm mostly a #8 person too. Maybe we could even save a non-negligible percentage of humanity. I have my doubts...but perhaps it's possible. We'd have 75 years. That's a lot of time, and wonders might be accomplished in that time. I think we should at least try.

Even if it's impossible to rescue any more than a small percentage of humanity...I'd still go for it. I don't know if humanity is better of extinct or not...but if we go extinct now, we'll never know. Maybe our descendants would be smart enough to figure it out and prove it, and if they determine humanity is better off extinct they can off themselves then.

The doomsday people will be correct in the future.......this earth will be destroyed and then replaced. And things will go on for eternity. It's up to all the big brains to figure out how .
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Old 06-14-2018, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Mars City
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If humanity pushes itself towards extinction, then it's not worth exporting elsewhere. Let's contain it here.
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Old 06-17-2018, 04:10 PM
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Even after all the arguments about human-induced environmental degradation due to all the plethora of causes, even after all the arguments that we'd treat any extrasolar "Gaian" worlds inhabitants like the Europeans treated Native Americans, Native Australians, etc., there's still the issue of how we treat each other in general.

To borrow an example from Peter Singer (who doesn't endorse human extinction, btw), Imagine the world human population was only 7.5 Million, all with roughly the same standard of living as the average person in Switzerland.*.

Even in this just-short-of-paradise situation where nobody is anywhere near living in poverty, and there's little income / wealth inequality (and any that does exist is due purely to merit, and inheritance mostly taxed away and redistributed to people according to need), can you really trust people not to be dishonest, petty, judgmental, or even be violent or abusive toward others due to nitpicky, non-character aspects of those others' personhood? The behavior of very high economic status people in our real world strongly suggests otherwise (even if you discount media attention toward certain such individuals).

The same thing holds outside extremely wealthy social circles. A good example is a low-poverty rate small town with a consistent history of prosperity (i.e. small town in Minnesota or Vermont). Even in these places, it's still unrealistic to expect an absence of certain people not to find some or another grounds to hold others in condescension or contempt (the root of conflict IMO) - and I'm not talking about just the garden-variety a-holes either. The judgmental attitudes (condescension at least, contempt at most) toward certain non-harmfully different people still exists even among people the community considers nice, polite, and humane - even if not openly expressed.

Question: Given all this, and given that such attitudes are the root of most, if not all, conflict for people well-insulated from poverty or economic decline, or even unequal economic status -- how can anyone really believe that human refugees to the stars would cease such behavior? Even assuming genetic engineering of some sort, how can we trust humans to use it to lift up the unfortunate in some way, rather than further empower themselves at the expense of others' basic well-being (physical or mental)? In the latter case, it could be superhero/supervillain stories made real.

So I say in Clintone's scenario that we're not worth saving. Cease reproduction. Devote our efforts to making our final days and demise less anguishing (with further advanced AI taking over more and more of the hands-on repair and food production). Maybe send a fleet of sub-human intelligent AI's around the closest neighboring stars, and send some to far reaches of this solar system, specifically far enough away from the neutron star to have at least something of a chance of its orbit not being too wildly disrupted. NONE of those AIs should be colony ships for bacteria, but rather they should be libraries outlining our species history "out by that yellow sun, in that asteroid belt that used to be our home planet". Then let any aliens that discover our AI library and retrieve the data make their judgement about us.


*IOW, strike three "zeroes" off the population of any given area, and you'll have that area's population. In that case, even the New York-Tri-State metro area would have barely over 20,000 people, with even Manhattan having well under two thousand people.
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