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Old 05-25-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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One advantage of choosing people based on ideal genetics is that it's about as fair as we can get. If we want public support for the project (by which I mean people not climbing over each other/sabotaging the ship) we want the choice of who goes to be fair. We might also try to get people of as many different cultures and nationalities chosen as possible for genetic diversity, and so the project-doers are not accused of genocide or something.




Have you watched the TV when places like New Orleans has a hurricane? People riot & break into stores, and what do they grab? Not food but things like TV's.


Fair? I don't think so, people want to survive & most will do whatever it takes to survive. Period.
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Old 05-25-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Have you watched the TV when places like New Orleans has a hurricane? People riot & break into stores, and what do they grab? Not food but things like TV's.


Fair? I don't think so, people want to survive & most will do whatever it takes to survive. Period.
We have 75 years though. I figure total hell won't break loose until a few years before the star comes. If we could get the ship done far enough in advance and leave...that may not even be that much of a problem. Sociologists and economists would be better than me at determining by what time the ship should be finished, or mostly finished, before all hell breaks loose. Heck, anyone smart probably wouldn't have children the moment they hear that a neutron star is coming in 75 years unless they know their descendants will already get on the ship. If all goes well, there won't be many people left on Earth by the time the star gets here anyway. They'll have passed away from old age. That's assuming we tell society about the approaching neutron star though. Another contributor mentioned that telling people about it could be a bad idea that would result in too much anarchy, and they may be right.

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Old 05-26-2016, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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the gov't should conduct a drill to test our ability to act sociable during an impending doomsday event like a giant asteroid hitting earth by announcing that a giant asteroid is heading for us. We can then see what our issues will be and then after they announce it was just a test then we can go about fixing the areas that need to be addressed such as sweeping up the glass and replacing all the broken windows.
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Old 05-26-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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What makes humanity worth saving?
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Old 05-26-2016, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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What makes humanity worth saving?
The fact that some people would want it to be continued.

You could also look it like, between all the work it would take to do this and human life being overrated, it wouldn't be worth it.

You could also look at it like the escapees stand a chance of beginning a society that was greater in all ways than their ancestors ever had.

I don't think us being a danger to the rest of the universe would be much of a problem...assuming FTL travel is impossible. We probably wouldn't find sentient aliens for thousands of years, and who knows what we could be like by then. Therefore, it's just whether or not humans would be benefited by their species' survival that's the important question to consider, in my opinion. We might not ever get anywhere near alien multicellular organisms either.

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Old 05-27-2016, 03:43 AM
 
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I don't think a ship would work, you would need to build a spacecraft with enough thrust to escape the gravitational pull of the earth.
You ever see those big Evinrude outboard motors? Them things haul a$$, bruddah. Get that ship out on a long stretch of water with a steep uphill slope at the end of it, and they just might be able to pull it off.
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Old 05-27-2016, 04:40 AM
 
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A neutron star is heading to Earth and will wipe out humanity? and we are supposed to build a ship to evacuate a few survivors? I doubt there will be any one left alive by the time the ship is ready for its voyage to who knows where.Who will decide who goes on this ship.
What if to avoid putting the Earths population at risk of total chaos in its last remaining years no one tells the population that the Earth is about to end,they'll find out the day before it happens.
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Old 05-27-2016, 08:21 PM
 
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I don't think a ship would work, you would need to build a spacecraft with enough thrust to escape the gravitational pull of the earth.
Er ... we've already done that.
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Old 05-27-2016, 08:32 PM
 
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We have no idea how to build a ship of any size that would achieve even a significant percentage of light speed* much less faster than light, so it would have to be multi-generational. And to get well out of the solar system it would have to leave a lot sooner than 75 years so it would also have to be so small that it would hardly be worth bothering.

But assuming for the sake of argument we had the technology and a decent chance of success ... I would support it if at least 1000 people were willing to go ... and they would be. In fact I think the governments of the world would practically dismantle themselves to build ship after ship. Self preservation is a strong instinct.


* Well photonic propulsion is already being developed on about a 20 year time frame to push small objects to 20 to 40% of light speed but there's no practical way to slow them down at the other end of the journey. The tech is too immature for a crash project. It is being developed for exploration of nearby star systems with miniaturized robotic probes. A child born today will probably know how many planets orbit Proxima Centauri and have high res pictures of them, by the time it is 50 years old.
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:56 AM
 
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Even if humanity could build a ship that could achieve something approaching light speed it would probably take a generation to accelerate to such speed and an equal amount of time to decelerate to your destination which is where? ,
IMO a population knowing it was going to die would go mad chaos would reign the species would die long before this neutron star arrived. About the only option i can think of is something like a small human seed ship that would preserve the seeds of Earth for a distant future, something along the lines of this concept=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo_space_colonization
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