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Old 06-25-2016, 08:00 PM
 
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Homo sapiens are the meaning of a three piece suit, and the divide between atoms and the political ambition of a united Ireland (when in reality there is no divide between atoms and the goal of a united Ireland).
Homo sapiens are the wedding anniversary, as they are paintings, and the Wikipedia page of Batman V Superman having nothing to do with the history of Ancient Greece (when in reality BvS has everything to do with Ancient Greece, and the rate of progress in scientific discovery).






If reality is destined to move past homo sapiens, is what comes afterwards meant to be better than the Halloween costume, or the want to link particle physics to the evolution of cinema?
Is what comes afterwards meant to be better than Diana Ross singing Missing You, or Sooty and Sweep, or either Jessica Biel or Colin Farrell in Total Recall?






Is what comes afterwards meant to be better than the want to link a forest over a period of twenty-four hours to any political rivalry, or any fraternity in the US?
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Old 06-25-2016, 09:49 PM
 
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If you are assuming a Metaphysical Realist's position that is no tenable.

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Contemporary philosophical realism is the belief that some aspect of our reality is ontologically independent of our conceptual schemes, perceptions, linguistic practices, beliefs, etc. Realism may be spoken of with respect to other minds, the past, the future, universals, mathematical entities (such as natural numbers), moral categories, the material world, and thought. Realism can also be promoted in an unqualified sense, in which case it asserts the mind-independent existence of a visible world, as opposed to skepticism and solipsism. Philosophers who profess realism state that truth consists in the mind's correspondence to reality.[1]

Realists tend to believe that whatever we believe now is only an approximation of reality and that every new observation brings us closer to understanding reality.[2] In its Kantian sense, realism is contrasted with idealism. In a contemporary sense, realism is contrasted with anti-realism, primarily in the philosophy of science.
From an anti-realist [not necessary idealist] perspective;

In "reality" reality is evolving in complementarity with human beings.
So there is no situation where reality can evolve beyond human beings.
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Old 06-26-2016, 05:26 AM
 
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If you are assuming a Metaphysical Realist's position that is no tenable.



From an anti-realist [not necessary idealist] perspective;

In "reality" reality is evolving in complementarity with human beings.
So there is no situation where reality can evolve beyond human beings.


Do you think political leaders should say that reality should be thanked for Jessica Biel, or the Halloween costume, or the reality of emotions and spacecraft?
Is there something you're specifically grateful to reality for?
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Old 06-26-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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Well...the way I look at it our species changes, much more than through genetic evolution, through learning and inventing. Our society behaves so very, very differently than it did only a couple centuries ago. If we take on new physical forms through uploading our memories and brains onto robotic bodies or something, that won't be anything hugely different from the types of changes we've already gone through. It'll just be another big change, like the invention of the internet, the automobile, writing, fire, the computer, the scientific method, the discovery that disease comes from uncleanliness etc.

If by move past humanity we're talking about humanity going extinct rather than changing into something new, I don't whether that would be better or worse than now. Human beings tend to be more destructive than most organisms, but we're also better at adapting our personal behaviors to our environments and improving ourselves. That's why I think it would be great if humanity became a spacefaring civilization. We could fill our destructive urges and voracious need for materials through mining dead worlds and asteroids. I could see a spacefaring humanity perceiving life as rare and deserving of great respect, just like we've treated rare life on Earth through our endangered species lists.
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Old 06-27-2016, 02:41 PM
 
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OP is touting to post human plan implemented by the Elite. It is clearly outlined in whatever is the guy that is one of the Google top brass people and is known for excellent predictions skill. What tells me he has insider info on plans, then it's very easy to "predict" as it happens due to plan.
So the plan is to transition human minds into practically immortal digital devices. That's the ultimate goal for Elite as otherwise, wdf is point to getting all the money and power, if you die like the rest?

There you go. Ray Kurzveil.

Ray Kurzweil: Humans will be hybrids by 2030 - Jun. 3, 2015

Another ... telling us how it will be. Man "in the know".
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Old 06-27-2016, 04:21 PM
 
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Reality isn't "right" or "wrong" to move past anything. Homosapians aren't a level or anything, just a genus of homo in the primate family, or something like that. It's all natural selection, "reality" is going to move to wherever it is most beneficial for a species' survival (and others may die out in the process).
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Old 06-27-2016, 04:37 PM
 
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Reality isn't "right" or "wrong" to move past anything. Homosapians aren't a level or anything, just a genus of homo in the primate family, or something like that. It's all natural selection, "reality" is going to move to wherever it is most beneficial for a species' survival (and others may die out in the process).
I think it boils down to the friction between the absence of intent, and the existence of ability; if reality never intended for the nightclub or for a headset to exist, because it can't, how does one reconcile the inability to intend with ability? Is there even any friction?
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Old 06-28-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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Shelly, do you yourself understand what you ask?


There is NO reality outside of one who created it. That being human. Reality does not exist per se. It is product of human collective thinking and personal realities are created by personal thinking. E.g., samsara.
Even more, EVERYTHING in the so called reality is product of human thinking, as it provides templates to nature and units of nature and elements to build into what you consider 'reality". Hence, without human thinking, there is no reality, only amorphous unmanifested Substance.
You presume reality exists outside humanity.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Shelly, do you yourself understand what you ask?


There is NO reality outside of one who created it. That being human. Reality does not exist per se. It is product of human collective thinking and personal realities are created by personal thinking. E.g., samsara.
Even more, EVERYTHING in the so called reality is product of human thinking, as it provides templates to nature and units of nature and elements to build into what you consider 'reality". Hence, without human thinking, there is no reality, only amorphous unmanifested Substance.
You presume reality exists outside humanity.
Life forms being reality and the creator of reality is error. I'd opine that life forms are reality, therefore the creator is the absence of knowledge.
What bugs me is the idea that function needs absence of function.
If the make-up kit isn't useful to a mammal's ability to survive, but the latter couldn't exist without the former, isn't there an error there?
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Old 06-28-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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If you are assuming a Metaphysical Realist's position that is no tenable.



From an anti-realist [not necessary idealist] perspective;

In "reality" reality is evolving in complementarity with human beings.
So there is no situation where reality can evolve beyond human beings.
this assumes a lot.
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