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Old 09-28-2016, 10:05 AM
 
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Rule #1: TURDBURGLAR!

The proper Pooperscootian doesn't give a rat's behind about the small stuff. The proper Pooperscootian rambles incoherently if he or she pleases, so long as it seems to serve some greater purpose such as being a source of amusement or providing the opportunity to watch others' reactions to the aforementioned ramblings to better learn about society. For example: KILL ALL THE PURPLE MIDGETS! WE MUST KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!???! SMASH THEIR HEADS IN WITH HOTDOG BUNS!#?

Rule #2: Carelessness can be efficient, and efficiency is good.

The proper Pooperscootian will inevitably be more careless about things that don't seem to matter to that Pooperscootian than many non-Pooperscootians. This carelessness will ideally be beneficial because it will ideally reduce life stresses. For example, people who work from home are encouraged to wash their clothes as seldom as possible and spend entire days in nothing except their boxer shorts.

Rule #3: The proper Pooperscootian knows he or she is smarter than society, but not necessarily other individuals.

It is not difficult to be smarter than society. If we think of society as an organism, it behaves much like a kind of mindless slime-mold that once in awhile behaves in a manner that benefits the people who compose it. These benefits form through social evolution, much like how the slime mold has evolved to benefit the individual slime mold cells. The individual human brain has the capacity to be much more clever, in terms of leadership skill, than that mindless social evolution that leads society through culture.

For example, society encourages the buying of expensive vehicles. The proper Pooperscootian acknowledges the benefits of buying expensive vehicles. The proper Pooperscootian, however, notices that he or she might be able to save a good $40,000 or so by buying a used Cavalier that he or she washes enough and get close to the same results.

Rule #4: Children are discouraged from being Pooperscootians.

Children are less likely to be smarter than culture than adults, and they're usually not smarter than their parents. Children are encouraged to follow along with culture until they're confident they're smart enough to ignore it...otherwise, they will tend to end up being extremely annoying. Being smart enough to totally ignore culture and invent your own morality necessitates thinking heavily about why people should or should not do things, and most children are probably better off still learning, or just playing in the mud, than engaging in that anyway. Instead, they should spend time making friends, doing work, or just screwing off. Pooperscootians may be unpopular due to their ignoring of culture, and it can be advantageous for children just to follow the crowd so they can get the chance to learn about the crowd/form bonds/etc.

Rule #5: The proper Pooperscootian is above the law to themselves, and does not necessarily vote.

The proper Pooperscootian sees blindly obeying the law as potentially dangerous. When a proper Pooperscootian obeys the law, it is because he or she agrees with the law, or because he or she doesn't wish to be punished, or because he or she doesn't want to give the police extra work, or because of some other reason they've thought about that led to the conclusion that breaking the law would have some clear negative consequence. They don't just obey the law because it's the law though.

The proper Pooperscootian acknowledges that in all likelihood, their vote means a grand total of squat in terms of helping to elect the candidate they want elected, or helping to pass or not pass the law they desire to be passed or not passed. If they vote it is because they believe it helps the greater good in some way. For example, though voting for presidential candidate Ed will likely not make any difference in terms of whether or not Ed gets elected, the more votes Ed wins the election by the more that will tell parties that people of nation X want candidates like Ed, which will encourage political parties to support candidates that are more like Ed in the future, giving your vote more power. The proper Pooperscootian may also want to vote because of the view that if it's okay for me to not vote, why isn't it okay for everyone not to vote? and if everyone doesn't vote we might as well not have voting. However, the proper Pooperscootian will have weighed this idea against the fact that, A: them not voting will realistically probably not discourage many other people from voting anyway and B: They could just lie about having voted to achieve the same result without actually having to have gone out and voted. The proper Pooperscootian who is considering lying about having voted will therefore also have considered the potential negative side affects of lying, such as feeling a sense of guilt or getting used to lying (which could have long term negative results). The decision of whether or not to lie about having voted will depend on results of the weighing of the pros and cons of lying about it.

When choosing to vote, the proper Pooperscootian will ideally have learned enough about what they are voting on to be well informed. If the Pooperscootian does an extensive amount of research on the topic, that Pooperscootian will attempt to convince others to vote the same way they will vote, or advise others about what is being voted on so that their research serves some purpose. A Pooperscootian will never do extensive research on something being voted on without using their research to guide society in some way, because that would be a waste of time...because one vote really doesn't matter much anyway...unless we're talking about fairly local issues. A proper Pooperscootian would rather flip a coin to determine who they'd like as a presidential candidate, or just not vote at all than do that. It is acceptable for Pooperscootians to do extensive research without telling other people about it on anything they vote on that is more local than the state level...but Pooperscootians are forbidden from doing extensive research on candidates and laws covered in state and national votes and elections, unless they use that research to educate other people in some way.

Rule #6: The proper Pooperscootian sees endless reasons for everything and that which feels good is, at minimum, in some way good.

Generally, there will be a best behavior in any set of choices about how to behave, even if the choice is something like which leisure activity to partake in. If it's the day before Joe's birthday and Joe's wife wants to make him breakfast and Joe likes all his wife's breakfasts equally, the solution might be whichever he thinks of first because that would require the least mental energy. Or, the solution might be to spend five solid minutes deciding which he wants the most because he likes the anticipation more than the actual eating. Regardless of whether Joe chooses whichever breakfast he thinks of first or spends five minutes pondering it, Joe is striving to achieve maximum positive feeling, and proper Pooperscootians perceive positive feeling as something desirable and good, so Joe would make a fine proper Pooperscootian.

If Joe is concerned about his weight so he chooses the healthiest but least tasty of the possibilities, Joe would also make a fine proper Pooperscootian.

If Joe chooses to eat only foods grown by companies that have free range chickens and don't use pesticides to support them, Joe is also being a fine proper Pooperscootian.

All the above versions of Joe have good reasons behind their choices...but they're not necessarily equally good conclusions. Some will be better than others, depending on Joe's individual personality. A Joe who chooses any of the above options would make a good Pooperscootian, because he is capable of arguing why he chose what he chose.

A good Pooperscootian can always argue why they've made any decision whatsoever, even if their argument is "because I didn't feel about thinking about it that much." Not feeling like thinking about it much is a fine reason for making certain unimportant decisions (it's not so fine for things like choosing a new house to buy and such though).

A version of Joe who would make a very shoddy Pooperscootian would be a version who worries about his weight, but eats the tastiest breakfast anyway. That worry served Joe no purpose, and hindered the achievement of positive emotion. If a proper Pooperscootian is going to do something morally questionable...they don't give a rat's behind. They either do it and don't care, or don't do it. Sometimes after the morally questionable behavior is done, the Pooperscootian in question will strive to feel guilt as a penance in the hopes of discouraging that behavior in the future through memories of negative feedback...but while the morally questionable but desirable behavior is being engaged in, guilt would serve no purpose because it's not ceasing the behavior anyway...so the proper Pooperscootian just enjoys themselves and revels in their gluttony and eats the dang chocolate suicide cake with the fudge topping and the whip cream and the "cherry" that may well composed of a greater percentage of unnatural chemicals than a plastic bag.

The Pooperscootian Grand Code Thing or Whatever: A good Pooperscootian always assumes there is one best decision when given any choice of decisions, even if that decision is only best because it results in saving two more calories of energy or something trivial like that (or two fewer calories of energy if you're trying to lose weight). They acknowledge their capacity to argue that best decision. Pooperscootians don't always (or, in many cases almost never) make that best decision, but they assume that it exists.

The danger Pooperscootians see to people not at least assuming there is always a best behavior given any choice of behaviors is the making of random, un-thought decisions made for reasons besides stress reduction. A Pooperscootian strives for their life to be efficient, whether that means furiously gobbling down chocolate cake and drugs and dying at age 25 so as to shove their short life fill of as much hedonistic glory as possible, or being a beach bum and fiercely striving to devote all their energy to being as relaxed as possible while getting enough resources to survive, or devoting their life to the sciences and making choices that lead to mental abilities being as powerful as possible. Whatever their goals, a Pooperscootian detests inefficiency, and making choices that have no reasons behind them (such as, arguing X should be done because this is just how society behaves) is inefficient and therefore leads to waste.

The good Pooperscootian assumes there will always be a best decision when given any choice of decisions because all our decisions effect the rest of our environment in some way, however small, so given the countless ways in which our decisions affect our fellow life forms and our environment, it'll be pretty unlikely that there will be two decisions that will result in perfectly equal positivity.

The Pooperscootian Grand Code Thing or Whatever Edit: Alright, so Pooperscootians don't have to always assume there is a best decision given any choice of decisions...but they'll usually be right if they do, about believing there is some best decision, and Pooperscootians believe the bigger danger to society is not believing there is a right and a wrong, but believing there isn't one.

Question: This philosophy is stupid, particularly that Grand Code Thing or Whatever. Different people have different views about what is right and wrong. If there is supposedly always (or almost always) one best decision given any set of choices, how would we know whose opinions about what is right is correct?

Answer: Because morality can be argued using logic. We'd just go through each person's argument using logic to determine who is correct...the same logic they would use if they understood it better, the same logic we all use if we understand it well enough. We would begin at the idea that unpleasant feelings feel bad and therefore are bad, and positive feelings feel good and therefore are positive. That's our foundation and that's all we really need to safely assume that there is always a best decision given any number of choices of possible decisions.

Pain hurts. We want less pain (except for those of us who like pain) so a goal of society is to reduce pain. What about the more complex issues? When given the choice of helping one person hurting a lot or multiple people hurting a little, who do you assist? Well, there are ways we could try to find out. The ideal solution would not be just to flip a coin. We could, for example, quantify pain in terms of how unpleasant it makes us feel, and of course that would be multiplied by how long we'd feel it. We could then add up the quantity of pain the multiple people who feel minor pain feel, and add together the quantity of pain the one person who feels a great amount of pain feels, and we could see who experiences more pain, and we should do that, because our society has already decided it is our goal to reduce pain. Yeah, there is no mind to decide morality for us (unless you believe there is...I don't) so it's our job to build a kind of mind, not an organic one, but one formed of logic that makes decisions for us that the uninformed opinions of people who don't think much aren't capable of making well, and we should build that metaphorical mind, because we've already decided that pain is bad...so the construction of that mind built of logic would be the logical end result to minimize pain.

The Perfect Uber Pooperscootian

The Perfect Uber Pooperscootian is an imaginary Pooperscootian who has done everything perfectly throughout the course of its life. It might have drugged Hitler's mom to have given her an abortion...if not for the fact that its incredible intellect would have given it the ability to foresee the risks of future Nazisim through monitoring patterns in history and Germany in the early to early-mid 1900s. It might have created counter-propaganda with messages emphasizing the unity of Germany, all of Germany, Jews and other groups the Nazis found undesirable included. It would attempt to live its life efficiently as possible, furiously striving to maintain ideal levels of relaxation and joy, and discarding all behaviors that get in the way of that efficiency. While acting as a public speaker, it would have worn only the finest clothes. During extensive periods of solitude, it might have avoided bathing for days to save water...because it would be an environmentalist too. It will allow itself to be sad and frustrated and angry when it is appropriate to be sad and frustrated and angry, to achieve good mental health and to remind itself when it is appropriate to be sad and frustrated and angry. It will find much of its life to be unpleasant and difficult and it will suffer...but it will suffer for beneficial causes, such as its own joy and contentment and the contentment of others. It will have unrealistic fantasies about utopian societies or wondrous inventions, but it firmly keep in mind the difference between fantasy and reality and strive to improve this reality.

The ideal Pooperscootian knows he or she will be less efficient than that. Most of us would not be capable of becoming superhero propagandists capable of thwarting the Nazis. We just won't. Some of us (most? many? a minority? who knows) will steadily do our part to chip away at the Earth we live on and make it a steadily less pleasant place for our descendants...but if we won't change anyway, it will only do harm to feel guilt about that, so the proper Pooperscootian merrily embraces what they are, and if others go farther a proper Pooperscootian rewards them with thanks and kindness, and if those Pooperscootians who do go farther brag about their accomplishments in an annoying fashion, their fellow Pooperscootians are to acknowledge that the braggarts deserve to brag...though it is acceptable to call them annoying as well.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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sounds as bad as any other philosophy or belief system in human history...
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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Somebody has way too much time on his hands.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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Will this interfere with being a Pastafarian?

Ramen!
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Old 10-01-2016, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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sounds as bad as any other philosophy or belief system in human history...
I like this one better because it hardly tells you to do anything specific at all. It leaves what to do up to the individual. All it basically does is advise that the individual have good reasons for doing whatever they do, like for example the achievement of pleasure, or assisting others.

Too many people just seem to do things because that's how they've been done. I want to get rid of that. People talk about how its okay to eat meat because we're evolved to eat meant (which is not a reason). People talk about how we should obey the law because it's the law (which is not a reason). People talk about how things are we hold certain moral values because our society has evolved to hold those values (which again, is not a reason). I want to get rid of all that stuff. Another example is following certain fashion trends. If someone knows they're following those trends because they want to impress others, that's a reason. I don't want people following those trends just because everyone else is. I don't want people voting just because society tells them to vote. I don't want people wearing pants because society tells them to wear pants. I want them to realize why. I want them to have thought "Hmmm...not wearing pants would make others uncomfortable, so I guess I should wear pants," preferably, or if not, to at least acknowledge that there are reasons for wearing pants besides society telling them to do so. I don't like this kind of nihilistic worldview it seems like many people have where they just kind of do things because of instinct or mimicry. I want people to do things for good reasons, like for fun. People fear hedonism, but to me it looks like at least hedonism and the attempt to achieve pleasure at serves a purpose. I see a much bigger danger to people going so far as to just assuming they'll have kids, not because they want kids but because society expects them too, and things like that.

The closest I want anyone to get to thinking "That's done just because that's the way things are done" is "That's done for a reason I don't know yet, or don't desire to think about." Culture is often formed by dumb, blind social evolution. The individual human mind, if it thinks about the why of things enough, can be more clever than that.

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Old 10-01-2016, 11:46 PM
 
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Will this interfere with being a Pastafarian?

Ramen!
Pastafarianism is approved of by the Pooperscootian High Council, so no.
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Old 10-02-2016, 12:15 AM
 
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Somebody has way too much time on his hands.
I think humanity is too tribal. What I'd like to do, is assist with humanity steadily becoming more comfortable with the idea of being unified. If we're split into little groups of families and local communities, then sure my actions don't matter beyond how they affect me and those close to me. If humanity is unified, every cheese wrapper I waste use causes problems.

Greater comfort with that sense of unification would be beneficial to the survival of the species. It won't do us any good to yell YOU MUST CARE ABOUT PEOPLE ON HE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD NOW! because most people just aren't comfortable with that much...but I figure maybe I can help spread a silly, fun philosophy that gets people to search for reasons for everything that might help people get more comfortable with the idea of humanity being unified, and humans having the goal of working for humans.

I'm still working out the bugs in the philosophy. Once I figure out exactly what I want to say I plan on ranting shirtless, with my hair messed up, or possibly wearing boxer shorts on my head, in a Youtube video about it for attention, to spread it as rapidly as possible.

I just figure if humanity is going to have the best chance for survival...this tribalism and nihilism has to go. It shouldn't go quickly. That'd be too unpleasant for people...but I want society to become steadily more comfortable with the idea of humanity being interconnected, and all actions affecting everything else.
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Old 10-02-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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like most philosophy, its made up poop. It has some truth, but it smells the same.
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Old 10-16-2016, 11:26 PM
 
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like most philosophy, its made up poop. It has some truth, but it smells the same.
Well, I would be more comfortable if more people were making up their own philosophies, flawed or not. I find myself frequently confused, and a bit bothered by how seldom the philosophy forum is used for this sort of thing. This seems like something it would be best for people to be discussing more.

With philosophies that come from things like Christianity and other religions...there will be many personal philosophies rooted in religious teachings that will be pretty dumb. They deserve to be challenged by competing philosophies. Benjamin Franklin did the same thing with his list of thirteen virtues. I don't know why more people aren't interested in comparing their personal philosophies, even to the point of being competitive about determining which is best.

Sure...the professional philosophers argue about that sort of thing all the time...but that seems fairly useless for most people. I want idiots and simpletons doing it too, so they can reach consensus that are far superior to what religion would tell them to do, or cultural traditions.

It does seem like the field of philosophy has failed to accomplish much of value though, because nobody's found a way to make it useful for the idiots. It's the idiots that need help. Philosophers need to devote an enormous amount more effort into discovering new ways to dumb down their meanings so that Joe the trucker can understand those meanings.

I do know of one philosophy that successfully accomplished that dumbing down: Taoism. Philosophers who wish to affect society positively should read "The Tao of Pooh" and communicate like the author of that does. Then, their field would benefit humanity more. Until then it seems like we could accomplish more than professional philosophers, cultural traditions, and much more than religion accomplishes in terms of successes by merely discussing and pointing out flaws in one another's views as the uneducated simpletons many of us are.

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