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Old 11-21-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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....getting more and more discredited in Western civilization whose philosophers, artists, priests & poets held it, since the early Greeks, in high esteem.

Is it because modern western sciences pay little attention to consciousness, and if so, only to try to bind it into matter?

Or is it that people are increasingly captured by the material aspects of existence and thus become callous to consciousness?

What is the benefit of eliminating a concept that is accredited to have enriched Western cultures – and of course the grand civilizations of the East, who, by the way, keep its esprit since millennia well and alive.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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Rightfully there is East and there is West.
East says - there is no matter, there is only consciousness. Everything we experience is maya, dream.
West says, pitches by materialists, there is no consciousness, there is only matter and some chemical processes resulting in some intelligent actions. Everything is material.
Both are right.
Both are wrong.
As each one is right only half way.
There is consciousness and there is matter. Well, more exactly, there is Substance. Consciousness gives a potential - substance - blueprint for manifestation into material world in form of matter. Both Consciousness and Substance are beyond time and physical as we know it. They are simply manifested in NOW as material manifestation of Consciousness.
Same is known in some religions, when it is said - everything is god. True.

is it that people are increasingly captured by the material aspects of existence and thus become callous to consciousness? Correct.
What is the benefit of eliminating a concept that is accredited to have enriched Western cultures - keep people as slaves. Society does not want independently thinking members. One that is aware of consciousness and AS consciousness, is not bound by anything material and societal anymore. That person is beyond fear and submission as it knows it is eternal. It is of no use for society and masters.
PROTOCOL No. 4: MATERIALISM REPLACES RELIGION

WE SHALL DESTROY GOD
3. But even freedom might be harmless and have its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, for they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a wardship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upon earth. This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.
4. In order to give the GOYIM no time to think and take note, their minds must be diverted towards industry and trade. Thus, all the nations will be swallowed up in the pursuit of gain and in the race for it will not take note of their common foe. But again, in order that freedom may once for all disintegrate and ruin the communities of the GOYIM, we must put industry on a speculative basis: the result of this will be that what is withdrawn from the land by industry will slip through the hands and pass into speculation, that is, to our classes.
5. The intensified struggle for superiority and shocks delivered to economic life will create, nay, have already created, disenchanted, cold and heartless communities. Such communities will foster a strong aversion towards the higher political and towards religion. Their only guide is gain, that is Gold, which they will erect into a veritable cult, for the sake of those material delights which it can give.
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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Is it because modern western sciences pay little attention to consciousness, and if so, only to try to bind it into matter?
No, in fact the US has huge medical research centers focusing specifically on consciousness.
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:15 PM
 
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....getting more and more discredited in Western civilization whose philosophers, artists, priests & poets held it, since the early Greeks, in high esteem.
I don't know where you get this idea from. Especially the notion that we are "eliminating" the concept.

There are whole branches of philosophy devoted to it including the so-called "hard problem" of consciousness.
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:35 AM
 
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....getting more and more discredited in Western civilization whose philosophers, artists, priests & poets held it, since the early Greeks, in high esteem.

Is it because modern western sciences pay little attention to consciousness, and if so, only to try to bind it into matter?

Or is it that people are increasingly captured by the material aspects of existence and thus become callous to consciousness?

What is the benefit of eliminating a concept that is accredited to have enriched Western cultures – and of course the grand civilizations of the East, who, by the way, keep its esprit since millennia well and alive.
this is a misunderstanding of what is happening.

We use what we know to describe what we do not know.

Also, opinions that make more correct predictions are more valid than those that don't. Keeping in mind (like that) that some opinions have more than one valid answer.

The brain is so complex that thoughts over lap causing an illusion that some thoughts take place outside of itself. Well, there is not outside of the universe, but, particle interactions cause awareness.

Feedback loops. life is full of them. Brain controls mind;mind influences brain. That's it.

You re wishing for something you already have.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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I donīt think that you intend to discredit consciousness - even if it sounds very much like it - but i guess thatīs the problem with employing the feedback mechanism of the intellect.
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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I donīt think that you intend to discredit consciousness - even if it sounds very much like it - but i guess thatīs the problem with employing the feedback mechanism of the intellect.
I didn't discredit consciousness. It seems to be based on particle interactions, or "energy" trying to get to a lower energy state.

It seems, for now, that gravity is suppling the energy for our feedback loops. Maybe, if we can use it directly we can have more consciousness.

But isn't the universe doing that already?

We are paying attention to it; its just that we know so little why make stuff up about it? Just say we don't understand it.
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Old 11-23-2016, 11:08 AM
 
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I agree - there is no use of making up stuff about anything we do not understand. Lamentably this happens to be everything - except the make-believes we hang onto.
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Old 11-23-2016, 01:33 PM
 
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I agree - there is no use of making up stuff about anything we do not understand. Lamentably this happens to be everything - except the make-believes we hang onto.
yeah, very true. When I break up people's conclusions into a mixture "logical" and "emotional" components it seems to explain 'why' or be a better predictor of how they will respond. Its not much, but like QM, it works.
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Old 11-24-2016, 03:05 AM
 
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What on earth are you talking about? W/o consciousness, you wouldn't be writing this and I wouldn't be reading it. We would just be rocks.
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