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Old 12-02-2016, 07:15 AM
 
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Can one argue that "stealing time" from an employer is morally acceptable while stealing goods is not?
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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That is an interesting question...but...anytime I've called in sick while "healthy" - it has been because I need a mental break from the job or I'm exhausted from overwork.


So I don't see it the same.
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Old 12-02-2016, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Calling in sick when you're healthy isn't stealing time. You either have the PTO or sick time available to you, in which case you're using up what you are entitled to (even if the reason isn't justified). That means the employee won't have it available if they truly get sick later. If the employer doesn't pay sick time, the employee doesn't get paid when they are off the clock anyway, so in that scenario, they aren't stealing time either.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:59 AM
 
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Calling in sick when you're healthy isn't stealing time. You either have the PTO or sick time available to you, in which case you're using up what you are entitled to (even if the reason isn't justified). That means the employee won't have it available if they truly get sick later. If the employer doesn't pay sick time, the employee doesn't get paid when they are off the clock anyway, so in that scenario, they aren't stealing time either.
If the reason isn't justified, then you aren't entitled to the time off.

In a PTO setting, I agree with you.. That's your time to use off as you see fit. But sick time is time off for when you're sick. If you're not sick, you're not entitled to it.
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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I take a sick day if I will be less productive at work. Most of the time, that means I am physically ill. Sometimes, that means I'm exhausted, overworked, or need to take time for self care to handle my anxiety levels. I'd rather take a day off to recoup, no matter what the reason, then spend a week working underpar because my head's not in the game.

My boss is a-OK with that and does the same herself.
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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Can one argue that "stealing time" from an employer is morally acceptable while stealing goods is not?
Stealing is stealing which is quite clear in definition.
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I have to be 100% so if I'm not I am encouraged to take the day off.
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Old 12-02-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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I'm guessing that one thing we can all agree on is that calling in sick to go shoplifting is definitely over the line.
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Old 12-02-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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What is stealing from the company? Is it coming in late repeatedly but leaving on time? Taking longer lunch breaks? Talking about subjects not related to work like current events? Extra bathroom breaks? Socializing? I see it all the time at my work where people are time wasters. Do you consider that theft in some regards?
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Old 12-02-2016, 02:17 PM
 
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FWIW --

That is why I think companies should stick to PTO,period. to use when and how one likes (and hopefully with pre-approval, if possible). No vacation days, no sick days. The only possible exception might be jury duty and MAYBE bereavement time for immediate family members (one's parents or children only, unless another relative actually shares the same home).
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