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Old 05-04-2008, 07:22 AM
 
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"And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good - need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"
- Plato, The Phaedrus (360 B.C.E.)
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The virtue of anything is the measure of goodness in it. In this, however, everything is either good or bad depending on who you ask; what one praises, another prosecutes. Even crediting opinion, there are many things that are of doubtful virtue; and often what is praised as a great good turns out to have but little good in it, and a great deal of what is bad.

So, what is good, and what is not good? You tell me, and I’ll tell you.
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:28 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Good is necessary, evil isn’t.
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:44 AM
 
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Often what is necessary is not necessarily good; and it is not ironic that, in the history of the world, there has been more evil done for the sake of goodness than for any other cause.
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Old 05-04-2008, 08:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Wendell Phillips
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Often what is necessary is not necessarily good; and it is not ironic that, in the history of the world, there has been more evil done for the sake of goodness than for any other cause.
I agree that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
But only what is necessary is truth and that which is not necessary is often only presented as the truth; thus a lie.
Like the Buddhist say: Truth is, so I’d say: Only that which is essential can be true.
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Old 05-04-2008, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Often what is necessary is not necessarily good; and it is not ironic that, in the history of the world, there has been more evil done for the sake of goodness than for any other cause.
What defines good and bad seems to be subjective to cultural variations. Being "good" seems to mean being the best person you can by definition of the culturistic virtues you were born into. Being "evil" is essentially the exact opposite of that. So, is it any wonder that when two definitions of "good" become mixed up within differing societies that nothing but "evil" comes from it? Up to and including murder. It's almost as if there is a unique paradox of sorts.
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Old 05-04-2008, 08:44 AM
 
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"Beauty is truth, truth beauty,——that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."

- John Keats, "Ode on a Grecian Urn" (1820)
The Oxford Book of English Verse,
Arthur Quiller-Couch ed. (1919)
. . .

One can only wonder if the "truth" is that subjective.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:15 AM
 
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There have been few truly good people in the world (e.g., Christ, Ghandi), and most of them martyrs for the sake of goodness. It would seem that we have a very low tolerance for goodness. "Give us Barabbas!" - the mob shouted. It does not speak well for us.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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There have been few truly good people in the world (e.g., Christ, Ghandi), and most of them martyrs for the sake of goodness. It would seem that we have a very low tolerance for goodness. "Give us Barabbas!" - the mob shouted. It does not speak well for us.
I disagree...I think most people are basically good.
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Old 05-04-2008, 10:01 AM
 
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Rousseau thought that man was by nature good ("the noble savage"), and that society was the corrupting influence that made him bad; whereas Hobbes took a more pessimistic view (i.e., that man was not basically good), and that life in the state of nature is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." Human nature being what it is, betting odds are that Hobbes was right.
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Old 05-04-2008, 10:25 AM
 
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The thing is that only man seems to possess an ego and 'morals' while animals only do what is necessary on instinct alone.
I just find it peculiar that Jesus and other wise men instruct their followers to 'destroy' their own ego.
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