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Old 05-04-2010, 03:43 PM
 
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The answer . . . if it is ever discerned by science . . . should be very enlightening for you.
And you don't agree with the answer science has and is developing. Enter two week long list of rejections as to why. Rebuttal. Re-rebutall. Ad-hominem. Ad-Hom. Repost. Re-repost. Snear. Mock. Parting-comments.

There we go, I just saved us hours of typing.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:56 PM
 
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And you don't agree with the answer science has and is developing. Enter two week long list of rejections as to why. Rebuttal. Re-rebutall. Ad-hominem. Ad-Hom. Repost. Re-repost. Snear. Mock. Parting-comments.

There we go, I just saved us hours of typing.
A smiley would have been nice too . . . but if you prefer a continued adversarial atmosphere . . . so be it.
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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A smiley would have been nice too . . . but if you prefer a continued adversarial atmosphere . . . so be it.
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Old 05-05-2010, 05:22 AM
 
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That's not the religious view though -- the exact religious view on the subject is: everything came from a head -- God's head (design).

However, religious people leave out the details on how exactly everything was made after the "design". They just went on to declare they had an answer that science does not.
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Old 05-05-2010, 05:26 AM
 
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Can you really, honestly feel your thoughts happening in your head, or do you feel that way because your culture says that's where thoughts come from?
Some would answer: "depends how you have been 'raised and taught', you talk as you have been 'raised and taught'."
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Old 05-05-2010, 08:50 AM
 
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Some would answer: "depends how you have been 'raised and taught', you talk as you have been 'raised and taught'."
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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I think it is cultural. We are taught that genes and DNA control everything about ourselves and that we are victims to genetics. The likes of Candace Pert and Bruce Lipton, who have studied biology and genetics, have come to realize that emotions and thoughts have a huge impact on the body, influencing illness and health.
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Old 06-09-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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Kids found without human contact (very little and there are cases) are animals. One needs the social, and you take all its junk lock stock and barrel. As for stuff from the heart, that is a social construction-so is nature by the way.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:17 PM
 
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So, how would your belief in the source of yourself affect your understanding of the world?

Is it natural to divide your mind from your body, or is it cultural?

June is thinking that your querie is hardly "off beat" as it is vaguely reminscent of Descartes. (Wasn't it Descarte who queried the separation between mind/body/soul? --Help me out here, Mystic, it's been a looonnggg day at work!)

From June's standpoint, it's something of a "no brainer" (pun intended) that without our physical brains, we would not have self perception, let alone the capacity to ask ourselves the very question the OP asks. However, June is of the opinion that it is both mind (psyche) in conjunction with culture. Cultural perspective lends a lot. Had we all been raised in Tibet, even our conception of ourselves, and the very question posed in the OP would be dramatically different.

That being said, however, June tends to feel that psyche plays a far greater role (for reasons obvious, to those who know her) than most of us would be aware of, or want to be. My "belief in the source of myself" is greatly dependent upon that which is vastly unconscious within my "June self." --Which in turn, is further reinforced, and informed by acculturation. We internalize, from birth, and in turn, project outwards upon our enviornments; all of which becomes reinforced.

Then again, it would be difficult at best to account for what it is in mankind that compels him to ask --down through the ages-- just what it is that the "source of ourselves" really is....Brahman? Chirist? Vishnu? Or, in June's case, Freud? (j/k~!)


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Oxytocin is one such famous one. The "love drug" is what causes those emotions, those feelings.
June respectfully disagrees with that ^^ one. The opiate merely provides the illusion of something other than what it is...



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Good morning, friend.
~It just warms the coddles of June's "just June" heart when warring factions get along, and greet the morning together! She would have repped ya both, if she could!!!

*sigh*



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On a lighter note, my daughter asked me if our cats and dog, have thoughts, or inner monologues. I didn't know what to say to that.
June sort of suspects that it's always a "safe parental bet" to answer the above precious querie with the following: "Cats have thoughts and inner monologues about dogs, and dogs have thoughts and inner monologues about cats!"

*woof*


Take gentle pondering care.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:29 PM
 
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June respectfully disagrees with that ^^ one. The opiate merely provides the illusion of something other than what it is...
Are you saying that oxytocin provides the illusion of "love" when there isn't one?

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~It just warms the coddles of June's "just June" heart when warring factions get along, and greet the morning together! She would have repped ya both, if she could!!!

*sigh*
A real Christmas Truce.
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