What is it with Arizona and SLOW drivers in the left lane? (calculation, camper)

[Scott2.0]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

Yeah, you missed it...





His position in the debate is that he feel's that whatever speed he is going is the limit on "higher-speed traffic" and it doesn't work that way.

I guess I assumed his statements were with the caveat of "as long as I'm passing". Maybe not. If not, that's pretty inconsiderate and arguably dangerous.

[Captain Bill]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

Yeah, you missed it...

No; he got it.

by LBTRS:.....His position in the debate is that he feel's that whatever speed he is going is the limit on "higher-speed traffic" and it doesn't work that way.

You are mis-interpreting my position. My statement was very clear, in that if I'm in lane one and going faster than lane two then anyone wanting to pass me is going faster than the flow of traffic, (which is speeding by the ARS definition which was posted earlier). I do not have to move from a fast lane to a slower moving lane in order to allow someone to pass me.

I've said that a couple times.

Originally Posted by Captain Bill
If I am driving in lane one faster than the traffic in lane two, and I'm going at least speed limit, I am the faster traffic and have every right to lane one. If a speeder wants me to merge into the slower lane two in order to pass me, that won't happen. I will not merge into the slower lane with traffic following too close, because changing lanes is dangerous no matter the skill level of the driver.

[LBTRS]

Originally Posted by Scott2.0

I guess I assumed his statements were with the caveat of "as long as I'm passing". Maybe not. If not, that's pretty inconsiderate and arguably dangerous.

This is the problem I initially inquired about that started the thread. People hang out in the left lane just because they see a slower moving vehicle 1/4 mile ahead and won't move to the right to let faster traffic pass. They think, "since I'm passing someone once in awhile, even though I'm only doing the speed limit (or less), I can hang out in the left lane and have no obligation to move to the right when I can to let faster traffic by". As he says, he has a right to be in the left lane doing the speed limit since he is moving faster than the semi in the right lane that is only moving at 60mph.

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

You are mis-interpreting my position. My statement was very clear, in that if I'm in lane one and going faster than lane two then anyone wanting to pass me is going faster than the flow of traffic, (which is speeding by the ARS definition which was posted earlier). I do not have to move from a fast lane to a slower moving lane in order to allow someone to pass me.

I've said that a couple times.

But you do according to the law...you should move to the right when you can to allow others past and then move back to the left when you get to a vehicle that you need to pass.

[Captain Bill]

Originally Posted by Scott2.0

I guess I assumed his statements were with the caveat of "as long as I'm passing". Maybe not. If not, that's pretty inconsiderate and arguably dangerous.

You are correct in your assumption. In fact I've posted at least 3 times that if I am in lane one and lane two is going slower than lane one.

I've also said that I'm not going to stay in lane one if lane two is faster. I think he may just be skimming my post and not reading it, so he's mis-understanding what I'm saying.

[LBTRS]

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

You are correct in your assumption. In fact I've posted at least 3 times that if I am in lane one and lane two is going slower than lane one.

I've also said that I'm not going to stay in lane one if lane two is faster. I think he may just be skimming my post and not reading it, so he's mis-understanding what I'm saying.

I can assure you, I'm not mis-understanding anything you're saying...

"Flow of traffic" and "going slower" are not the criteria you posted from the drivers manual. The criteria you posted said the "left lane is for higher-speed traffic".

Just because you're moving faster than lane two doesn't mean you are the upper limit for "higher-speed traffic". If there are cars moving faster than you there is "higher-speed traffic" and you should move right.

[Captain Bill]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Bill
You are mis-interpreting my position. My statement was very clear, in that if I'm in lane one and going faster than lane two then anyone wanting to pass me is going faster than the flow of traffic, (which is speeding by the ARS definition which was posted earlier). I do not have to move from a fast lane to a slower moving lane in order to allow someone to pass me.

I've said that a couple times.

by LBTRS:...But you do according to the law...you should move to the right when you can to allow others past and then move back to the left when you get to a vehicle that you need to pass.

...People hang out in the left lane just because they see a slower moving vehicle 1/4 mile ahead and won't move to the right to let faster traffic pass...

The scenario you're presenting is not the scenario I'm presenting. I did not say that if there is a slower vehicle 1/4 mile ahead in the right lane that I would not move over.

I have said that the right lane is slower and that people are following too close to merge over. There is no law that says I have to move into a slower lane if I'm passing traffic in that lane. And why would I want to move over to a slower lane just to accommodate a speeder in a hurry?

If I'm in the lane one it's because I'm driving faster than the traffic in lane two, and it would be ridiculous for me to try and slow down to merge into closely following traffic.

I'll say this again and it's not worth the time to keep repeating it if you're just going to throw different scenarios out there and mis-interpret what I'm saying:

If I am driving faster than the traffic in the right lane, and my statements have indicated that it's a steady traffic (not 1/4 mile apart) then I am in the right by staying in that lane.

If a car comes behind and tailgates me, then that car is in breaking the law; not me. By definition, he is speeding by not going with the traffic flow, and violating the law by tailgating.

[Captain Bill]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

I can assure you, I'm not mis-understanding anything you're saying...

"Flow of traffic" and "going slower" are not the criteria you posted from the drivers manual. The criteria you posted said the "left lane is for higher-speed traffic".

Just because you're moving faster than lane two doesn't mean you are the upper limit for "higher-speed traffic". If there are cars moving faster than you there is "higher-speed traffic" and you should move right.

You're trying to write your own laws so we'll have to agree to disagree.

I'll just keep driving the way I drive, which has served me well for probably many more years than you've been driving. And I hope your driving serves you well and that you get to be my age without having an accident.

[Scott2.0]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

I can assure you, I'm not mis-understanding anything you're saying...

"Flow of traffic" and "going slower" are not the criteria you posted from the drivers manual. The criteria you posted said the "left lane is for higher-speed traffic".

Just because you're moving faster than lane two doesn't mean you are the upper limit for "higher-speed traffic". If there are cars moving faster than you there is "higher-speed traffic" and you should move right.

"Just because you're moving faster than lane two doesn't mean you are the upper limit for "higher-speed traffic". If there are cars moving faster than you there is "higher-speed traffic" and you should move right."...once he finishes passing the vehicle to his right, correct? Again, I think we're all saying the same thing and I have yet to hear anyone argue that the left lane is for driving in when not passing (although I see this all the time). I tend to drive faster than most other people on the road but when someone is in the left lane and they are overtaking the car to their right and then get back right once passed, I don't see any problem with that even if they are only traveling a few mph faster than the car they're passing. To me, the qualifier for being in the left lane is, are they passing. Not, at what rate of speed are they passing. As long as the left lane is traveling faster than the right, traffic will continue to flow.

[LBTRS]

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

The scenario you're presenting is not the scenario I'm presenting. I did not say that if there is a slower vehicle 1/4 mile ahead in the right lane that I would not move over.

I have said that the right lane is slower and that people are following too close to merge over.

Oh, but it was the scenario you presented and even told us the "speeder" had to pass you on the right because there was no way you were going to move over. If there is room for the "speeder" to pass on the right why is there not room for you to simply move right and allow them through? It takes a whole lot more room for a "speeder" to pass then it does to perform a safe merge to the right.

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

So if you're behind me in that situation, you'll have some choices:

• Pass me on the right

[Scott2.0]

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

If I am driving faster than the traffic in the right lane...then I am in the right by staying in that lane.

Agreed, coming from a "speeder".