07-02-2007, 01:05 AM
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I am looking at houses in south Tempe (near Guadalupe and McClintock) and two have caught my eye:
One is a 1,100 sq ft stick home from 1985 in Kyrene schools. (stick home)
The other is a 1900 sq ft fixer upper from 1973 with larger yard, pool, and block construction. It is in Country Club Way neighborhood off Guadalupe.
I like the idea of block. It is solid, termite-proof and *SEEMS* to be more energy efficient.
Thoughts on energy savings?
Block is anti-termite but does it create more places for roaches and rats?
Also, one has an orange tree. Why are these citrus trees so coveted if they attract rats?
Thoughts on the home construction (and even the neighborhood) are welcomed and appreciated!
Thanks!
07-02-2007, 02:01 AM
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The rats aren't really up that far south yet. I have a block on bottom, wood on top. The block does seem to make it cooler in the day but at night it radiates the heat it absorbs all day. Good anti termite. Harder to renovate (husbands a plumber). But all in all I think block would be best. Roaches like both, get a cat if you don't like them. Since I got a cat (at first against my will), I no longer see the roaches or crickets or anything alive. He hunts them all night. If a male cat get him fixed early. Females are better hunters though. Don't get a foofoo cat, persians don't hunt. Should take care of any rats in the future to! Hope this helps.
07-02-2007, 05:57 AM
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Block has lousy insulative properties. It must be much thicker than the standard construction brick or block to even begin to approach the R-value of a framed and insulated wall. A lot of those older homes were built with 2x2 furring over the block and, in some cases, none at all.
The other side of things is that, if you can do the work yourself, fixer-uppers are good deals. The sweat equity accumulates quickly. If you have to pay someone to do things it is a lot harder to get return on investment.
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07-02-2007, 06:28 AM
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I've got a block wall house and love it. I honestly can't tell you about its energy efficiency because I haven't lived in another type of house of comparable size. What I love about the block, however, is its sturdiness and sound insulation. I just has a more solid feel than anything else I've ever lived in.
As for citrus, the trees have a pleasant scent, look nice, add shade, and produce fruit. All those qualities can outweigh the danger of rat visits, which can be minimized by not letting fallen fruit rot on the ground.
07-02-2007, 06:56 AM
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I've got a block wall house and love it. I honestly can't tell you about its energy efficiency because I haven't lived in another type of house of comparable size. What I love about the block, however, is its sturdiness and sound insulation. I just has a more solid feel than anything else I've ever lived in.
As for citrus, the trees have a pleasant scent, look nice, add shade, and produce fruit. All those qualities can outweigh the danger of rat visits, which can be minimized by not letting fallen fruit rot on the ground.
I lived in a block home for several years and agree with the sense of solid structure they provide. The three little pigs made a good point.
Someone commented on how block might be better for termites, and that is true - but only if the house were entirely block. In reality, most block construction has furred walls, drywall (they eat the paper), and wooden roof members. The block provide convenient and protected cavities for termites to build their tubes to the framing elements. So you need to be vigilant for termites even with block homes.
07-02-2007, 06:57 AM
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Ever heard of E-Crete? Its energy efficient, similar to block but lighter in weight and just as sturdy, termites and other critters cant occupy within it. We've built a lot in the past and every one of the owners love it, the energy efficiency has been incredible, wont burn like stick built homes and pretty inexpensive in comparison to some other building materials. I would be impressed.
The one thing too, I find amusing is when people try to push those stick built homes onto some potential new homeowners and say '...they are 2x6's now, not 2x4's...' and someone else replies '....oh good, more wood to burn, in a fire...' (Ive heard that subject come up on many jobsites between builders and generals).
07-02-2007, 07:49 AM
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Very interesting points. Thanks everyone!
Yeah, I understand what you mean about sweat equity. Seems like a lot of house but it's also the most expensive. I like the neighborhood, too.
With respect to block radiating the heat at night that it collected throughout the day, I can totally understand that one. This effect relaly concerns me since the block house I'm looking at faces east with the rear facing west. Seems to be plenty of shade trees in the yard though and the idea of seeing a sunset straight out of my rear kitchen window sounds appealing.
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Block has lousy insulative properties. It must be much thicker than the standard construction brick or block to even begin to approach the R-value of a framed and insulated wall. A lot of those older homes were built with 2x2 furring over the block and, in some cases, none at all.
Thanks, Ponderosa. Coming from the midwest where block homes are not prevelant, I was curious what, if anything, was between the drywall/plaster and blocks.
If block radiates heat, why was it ever so popular in the valley? Still, the thought of a solid home is appealing enough. That is, until you consider that I'm moving out of my RV to a better insulated, easier-to-cool home
Keep thoughts coming!
Best,
Andre5140
07-02-2007, 08:03 AM
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Older houses here had fewer windows than today and that is a huge factor in heat gain/loss and helps offset the less efficient construction practices of the day. No one really thought much about energy conservation before the oil embargos. I had a house in Tucson that was just "slump block", no insulation, no drywall on interior walls. That was in '72 or so. But then we cooled with an evaporative cooler so it probably did not matter.
That's a thought too. You can save a bundle of money using an evap cooler. If the house you are looking at has a roof top A/C, it is pretty easy to put in a piggyback cooler. Tile roofs and ground mounted condensers killed the seasonal use of coolers.
07-02-2007, 08:55 AM
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I like block homes, they are much better than the stick homes from the 80's. We had one when I was growing up, but we had termites and many on our block had them, too. I never heard of block homes being termite-free. There is still some wood in the house for them to eat. One friend had one wall completely chewed up from termites in a block home. The sad thing was that we had just installed tile throughout the house and then had to have them drill holes every foot throughout.
07-02-2007, 09:01 AM
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1973, Guadalupe and McClintock? May be a Suggs Home. They built
great houses. I grew up in a Cox block home in Scottsdale-very similar floorplans. Boring by today's standards but a very efficient use of space. A frame home from 1985 vs. a block home from '73 may be a toss up for electricity costs. They should both be SRP which beats APS for rates hands down. The comment on an evap is a good suggestion. I had a piggy back on a frame home built in 1986. I only needed the a/c during the monsoon and the swap cooler costs next to nothing to run. Also we installed dampers (brand name Up-Dux
Up-Dux ® The Comfort Maker Ceiling Things! ) in the ceiling so we didn't need windows open when running the swap cooler. This had the added benefit of cooling the air in the attic. Also, if the previous owners haven't installed energy efficient windows, do it.
I'm not a termite expert so I don't know everything about them, but we do have them in the far east valley. Ours are easy to spot: Look for 1/4 inch wide mud tubes coming up from the ground on your foundation. According to one of the guys who treated my house, they travel back and forth between the ground and the food source-they don't establish colonies in your home. On the rare occasion I've found a tube, I just knock it off, dig a small trench at the base and pour a heavy concentration of insecticide in it. The last one I treated myself has been dormant for almost a year.
If you are interested in Crime stats, here's the link for Tempe PD's crime analysis unit. If you go to the "Beat Information" link from there, you can check the numbers and types of crimes going back to 2000. You can even narrow it down with the house address.
City of Tempe - Crime Analysis
Good Luck. BTW, my vote goes to the block home if only for nostalgic reasons.
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People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)