Interracial (White/Mex-Amer) couple to Phoenix from OC-Cali? (Tucson, Scottsdale: buy, school)

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by Reid3416

Coming from Canada I think it's really sad that a person has to ask about an "acceptable" place to live with ones spouce where they won't be discriminated against.

Coming from Canada I'm sure you must be shocked at a lot of things. America, land of the free to treat people like s**t country. Free to charge money for everything. Instead of for seeing the need and planning were a fight for yourself country. Free to not listen to its public. Yeah, I have had a few conversations with people from Germany. What we worry about they don't. When your income depends on you kids having health care and education, you get a little competitive. Most americans will honestly be hostel to anyone they think will effect there income. But in all fairness, our kids won't be able to see a doctor or go to college if we don't make the $! A lot of people see the illegals as a threat to middle america, which is taxed already trying to afford basic needs for there family. In countries that have socialized medicine and help or pay for education you don't have the hostility toward immigrants. Your country takes steps to insure people that come to your country have something to contribute economically before they allow them in the system. We obviously don't. I spend most of my worry on health care and education for my kids. If they were a given after I paid my taxes I would be free of that burden. And yes, I would gladly wait to have a non-life threatening illness treated instead of not having health care at all. Our welfare program is crappy and filled to the brim. And that's only with people that make less than 9,000 a year. When people see a poor immigrant they see a competition, not a human being. I hate it, but I too feel the crunch and fear the future. I'm sure I'm starting something here but this is the true reason behind this resent prejudice.

[diggitydot]

Originally Posted by twiggy

In countries that have socialized medicine and help or pay for education you don't have the hostility toward immigrants.

Sorry, twiggy...but I have to disagree with you on this point. (While I've agreed with several of your posts in the past.) Racism, in the US or outside of it, has much more to do with ignorance than with access either to socialized medicine or education. Right now, MANY European countries with socialized medicine have huge issues with racism against those in the Islamic communities.

As much as I'd love to see socialized-medicine implemented in the US, there won't be a feasible plan available unless and until we as medical services consumers change our perspectives and attitudes on our health AND the insurance lobby gets the heck out of Washington, DC.

Originally Posted by twiggy

Your country takes steps to insure people that come to your country have something to contribute economically before they allow them in the system. We obviously don't.

Actually, the US does require legal immigrants to have the economic ability to support themselves (or require that their sponsor can support them until the sponsoree can attain papers and work themselves), similar to other countries. What the US lacks is enforcement of the already existing laws against those coming to the US illegally.



OK, sorry for the thread-hijack...back to the OP. Good luck with your move. While I'm not a huge fan of AZ, one thing I have been pleasantly surprised by during our time here has been the lack of tolerance for racism. Yes, three will always be jerks with big mouths everywhere you go, but I've found fewer of them who will freely espouse their silliness here. (Maybe because this is a fairly mixed area and they'd be mistaken for having Tourette's if they spouted off about everything around them.)

I'm thankful that my kids have been fortunate enough to have classes filled with lots of different cultures which has made them more curious and accepting of those around us.

Good luck!

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by diggitydot

Sorry, twiggy...but I have to disagree with you on this point. (While I've agreed with several of your posts in the past.) Racism, in the US or outside of it, has much more to do with ignorance than with access either to socialized medicine or education. Right now, MANY European countries with socialized medicine have huge issues with racism against those in the Islamic communities.

As much as I'd love to see socialized-medicine implemented in the US, there won't be a feasible plan available unless and until we as medical services consumers change our perspectives and attitudes on our health AND the insurance lobby gets the heck out of Washington, DC.



Actually, the US does require legal immigrants to have the economic ability to support themselves (or require that their sponsor can support them until the sponsoree can attain papers and work themselves), similar to other countries. What the US lacks is enforcement of the already existing laws against those coming to the US illegally.



OK, sorry for the thread-hijack...back to the OP. Good luck with your move. While I'm not a huge fan of AZ, one thing I have been pleasantly surprised by during our time here has been the lack of tolerance for racism. Yes, three will always be jerks with big mouths everywhere you go, but I've found fewer of them who will freely espouse their silliness here. (Maybe because this is a fairly mixed area and they'd be mistaken for having Tourette's if they spouted off about everything around them.)

I'm thankful that my kids have been fortunate enough to have classes filled with lots of different cultures which has made them more curious and accepting of those around us.

Good luck!

I actually agree. Racism does exist in Europe due to terrorism and in the U.S. But I was talking about the resent rant on illegal immigrants from Mexico and how people fear the effects on our economy. This seems to have the attention over terrorism in our country. The diminishing middle class, thanks to Lou Dobbs is becoming quite the concern here. The media seems to be blaming the hispanic population for our govt's poor planning. It's not the hispanics fault we have a failing educational system, health care system and that our gov. is ruled by big business. With out sourcing and no border control are worry is getting concentrated on our wallets, education and health care. I for one think the possibility of being effected personally by terror comes more in the effect of cost. We are already depleted. I think this does have to do with the thread and why people feel picked on for being hispanic lately.
I do agree on your solution and that these prejudices on hispanics are unfounded. But these are the complaints I hear to justify the hispanic paranoia. There taking our jobs, over running are welfare system, invading our educational system. I'm sure you've heard the same on every news or talk show lately. Believe me if Britain had our health and education system, then those from the middle east would also be the subject of sucking away London's economy. They to have a illegal immigrant problem and people are sick of it but we seem to really compete for wages here and most people I have talked to overseas don't worry about getting there medical problems fixed or if they will have a mil saved for there kids education. They think its weird that I do. "Why don't they take care of that with your taxes?" I usually reply, they like to see us scrap like dogs!lol Now the media seems to be pitting it on hispanics. I think AZ is subject to this, but I have actually thought people are less worried about it here. Maybe I am wrong, but we are very use to the mexican culture here and know they contribute to our city.

[chocolaterie]

Hi there,

I'm Chinese and my husband is Scottish/Irish, you two will be fine. We actually relocated from Canada. And in my opinion although racism does seem to be more common here, I believe it's not enough to be a concern. Welcome to the Valley!

[Stumblina]

Originally Posted by rockx

Hi everyone,

My wife and I are a White/Mexican-American couple with a child on the way, living in Orange County California, thinking about a move to Phoenix to buy a house.

Just a few questions and concerns about the area out there:
Is Phoenix pretty acceptable to Interracial couples?
Is there a particular area more suited for non-racist people? Especially Mexican/White?
What about a mixed race child attending schools around Phoenix?

Basically the overall question is:
Are mexican-americans integrated into society out there, or are they perceived as 2nd class humans?

We both make really good salaries as Senior IT and could easily afford to live in the Scottsdale area and are thinking that is the place.

I wonder why you think you guys would be an interracial couple? Did you feel you were in California? I doubt you'll feel that way in AZ. As one poster here pointed out, there are more Hispanics in AZ than caucasians. (I don't know if that's true, but it sure seems like it.) I think you'll be fine, especially if you can afford Scottsdale! . En todo caso, encuentre un poco de sombra y bienvenida al Arizona!

[GraphicQueen]

Originally Posted by rockx

Hi everyone,

My wife and I are a White/Mexican-American couple with a child on the way, living in Orange County California, thinking about a move to Phoenix to buy a house.

Just a few questions and concerns about the area out there:
Is Phoenix pretty acceptable to Interracial couples?
Is there a particular area more suited for non-racist people? Especially Mexican/White?
What about a mixed race child attending schools around Phoenix?

Basically the overall question is:
Are mexican-americans integrated into society out there, or are they perceived as 2nd class humans?

We both make really good salaries as Senior IT and could easily afford to live in the Scottsdale area and are thinking that is the place.

First off, you are not an interracial couple at all. Both of you are caucasion. Mexican is not a race but instead, it is a nationality.

Arizona is just fine for living. The only people that citizens are sick and tired of happens to be the illegals.

GQ

[TurcoLoco]

As someone already said, I can not believe people are still concerned with stuff like this at this day and age!!

I lived in Cali about 15 years and can not believe people actually considered you as a interracial couple much less give you grief about it?!

[Stumblina]

Originally Posted by TurcoLoco

As someone already said, I can not believe people are still concerned with stuff like this at this day and age!!

I lived in Cali about 15 years and can not believe people actually considered you as a interracial couple much less give you grief about it?!

Yeah, you'd think we could all just get along . . . but, unfortunately, there are still a lot of a***holes out there!

[louie217]

If you are going to move to San Francisco I hope you make over $100,000 a year, because this is what you will need to buy a small house. S.F. is one of the priciest cities in the country. It is also a city that has a crime problem at least as large as Phoenix (ever hear of Oakland, yes right across the bridge). Also Phoenix for all it's faults has cleaner freeways, and for the most part streets than S.F. S.F. has tons of homeless, and is foggy most of the year. Having retired from the military and lived in many areas, I'd take Phoenix, or the suburbs of it over S.F. any day. And yes, I am Mexican-American and have found the vast majority of people in AZ to be great. You'll find idiots even on the moon, but here in AZ people are far more down to earth than people in the S.F. Bay area. Most of the people I know in AZ whether in Prescott, or Phoenix, or Tucson for that part are not Hispanic and I can't see why you would feel intimidated here?

[gmh1013]

Lived here for 13 years and nobody ever said anything or gives us a second look. I speak Spanish and go with her to Mexican supermarkets and nothing is said to me , in spanish or english.
Go with her to Scottsdale fashion center and zip....I think you are making a issue out of nothing.