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Old 08-31-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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For whatever Daley's faults are, you can't say he didn't have a vision for Chicago. The essential is that Millenium Park was created, and it was ultimately good to the City of Chicago. If we applied Arizona attitude to Chicago, you'd still have railroad tracks and trains running on the lake front of the city.
regardless of cost Mellenium Park is pretty awesome and Phoenix could never congregate anything like it
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Phoenix should try a smaller scale version of Millennium Park. It would be great if Phoenix could replicate a park like Discovery Green in Houston, TX. That park is a huge success and costs a lot less.
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Old 08-31-2011, 07:17 PM
 
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Phoenix should try a smaller scale version of Millennium Park. It would be great if Phoenix could replicate a park like Discovery Green in Houston, TX. That park is a huge success and costs a lot less.
There is Mergaret T Hance park downtown as well as Civic Space Park.

This is Civic Space Park. It's not very big at 2.77 acres but they actually just started work on expanding it a little bit. It's a great little city park.











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Old 08-31-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Northern Arizona
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All things considered, Downtown Phoenix is a lot better off now than, say, five to ten years ago.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:26 PM
 
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The problem is Phoenix is like one large suburb you can't tell when you crossed into another city or not. I think the 'good thing' has been ruined. Look like how sprawled out phoenix area is. Even this forum says 'phoenix-area' not Phoenix. But why cater just to you? In order for Phoenix to succeed to need to look inward not out. Downtown needs a lot of work!
They have been doing work down there. It's just not going exactly as fast as you think it needs to go I gather. It's not like there isn't anything there, they have made improvements. I'm just satisfied with it's progress and satisfied with the rest. You who think it's broke can try and fix it if you want. Why do I have to care?
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:36 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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I don't know what you wish me to say but I'm sorry you are unhappy here.
Never said I was unhappy here. I'm just wanting my home city to be more than just a haven for sun freaks, retirees, and snowbirds ... because, quite frankly, I think we have the potential to be a world class city with a better downtown and higher paying jobs. We're certainly big enough for that now.

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That's fine but I still don't believe Phoenix needs a downtown make over. I think they are slowly updating it and that is just fine with me. The topic has been around for years, I think if the majority of people here wanted to make over downtown it would be made over. If they do in the future, it will happen. It takes a majority of voters to make those things happen and I don't see the majority interested so far, just a minority, but maybe someday you'll get your wish. I won't be voting for it, I don't care about downtown, I live in a suburb and like it. A lot of families and retirees live here and won't be going downtown often, and like it. We just don't have the young professionals here that you need to warrant a bustling city life and I don't care if we ever do. Sorry bout that, but I really don't.
It doesn't take a majority vote to improve downtown because most of what can be added or enhanced will need to be done by the private sector ... such as creating more corporate jobs, building more highrises, adding more attractions and nightlife. The only exception is the light rail, which incidentally was put to the voters in two separate phases and passed overwhelmingly both times. I had my doubts about it at first, but it has proven to be a success. So that's proof that the majority of voters are interested in such improvements.

And if you don't care about downtown, so be it. Living in the suburbs is perfectly fine ... but what I really dislike is all this NIMBYism against improving downtown & big city amenities. You and others like you enjoy the suburban life, and I would be willing to guess that you don't have a financial investment in planning or development, so what's it to you if downtown gets a make over? It means nothing to you, just like retirees and families with children mean nothing to me. Different strokes for different folks ... and that's one of the great things about living in a large metro area like this: we have a large, diverse population that has different lifestyles. Not everybody here is retired or lives in a suburb.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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You should visit San Jose, my city, and observe how San Jose's downtown got its mojo. Density is king. Downtown San Jose has over 10 million sq. ft of office space, 2,500 hotel rooms, nearly 9,000 housing units and San Jose State university with 30,000 students, and you pack lots of attractions and amenities to make the downtown relevant and vibrant. I'm proud of my city!
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:51 PM
 
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You should visit San Jose, my city, and observe how San Jose's downtown got its mojo. Density is king. Downtown San Jose has over 10 million sq. ft of office space, 2,500 hotel rooms, nearly 9,000 housing units and San Jose State university with 30,000 students, and you pack lots of attractions and amenities to make the downtown relevant and vibrant. I'm proud of my city!

As long as I can afford the housing cost.
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Here are some of my ideas on how to make Downtown more attractive:

-Entertainment District (P&L District Kansas City)
-Recreation Park (Discovery Green Houston)
-Renovate Margaret T Hance Park
-Create a skate park
-Renovate schools
-A new Veteran Affairs Center
-A new Hearing & Speech Center
-Attract companies to relocate their headquarters to Downtown
-Establish an International Consulate
-Create more affordable residential apartments
-Establish bike lanes
-Add more trees
-More hotels
-More eateries, bars, and nightclubs
-More grocery stores (Trader Joes will be a plus)
-Better retail options (Houston Pavilions)
-Fix Arizona Center
-Add more Art Museums along Roosevelt Row
-Convert one of our streets to Michigan Mile attraction
-Create a Bike Station
-Establish a Transit Center in Downtown
-Create a commuter or monorail system from Downtown to Sky Harbor Airport
-Have restaurants stay open past 11pm
-Have bars and nightclubs close around 3am
-Better advertising for Downtown Phoenix
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Old 09-03-2011, 03:26 PM
 
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Here are some of my ideas on how to make Downtown more attractive:

-Entertainment District (P&L District – Kansas City)
-Recreation Park (Discovery Green – Houston)
-Renovate Margaret T Hance Park
-Create a skate park
-Renovate schools
-A new Veteran Affairs Center
-A new Hearing & Speech Center
-Attract companies to relocate their headquarters to Downtown
-Establish an International Consulate
-Create more affordable residential apartments
-Establish bike lanes
-Add more trees
-More hotels
-More eateries, bars, and nightclubs
-More grocery stores (Trader Joes will be a plus)
-Better retail options (Houston Pavilions)
-Fix Arizona Center
-Add more Art Museums along Roosevelt Row
-Convert one of our streets to Michigan Mile attraction
-Create a Bike Station
-Establish a Transit Center in Downtown
-Create a commuter or monorail system from Downtown to Sky Harbor Airport
-Have restaurants stay open past 11pm
-Have bars and nightclubs close around 3am
-Better advertising for Downtown Phoenix


All this is good vision and doable in the future. The one thing lacking right now anyway, $$$$MONEY$$$$.

Phoenix should have focused more on growing the downtown years ago, making all these visions come true one at at time. Instead the City pushed everything on the suburbs, shifting the population to the outlying areas, creating more traffic headaches and crowded conditions where life is supposed to be tranquil and stress-free.

The City sure has done a poor job of planning over the years and that leads me to wonder why Phoenix was ever honored for best-run City.
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