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Old 09-25-2011, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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I have no idea if it's the same in Arizona as it is in Alberta - but I can say for a fact that if there is another vehicle in the picture frame here, they will often throw the ticket out. Especially the way you describe the pictures - I would think that the radar is only capable of clocking one vehicle at a time.

We have a first appearance process here where you can go to the court house and speak with a justice of the peace... they can then negotiate a lower a fine with you, throw the ticket out all together or tell you to get stuffed and go to court if you want to fight it.

Your wife probably should have called the courts to check on the process for disputing the charge and you may have been done with this (in a happy way) by now.

 
Old 09-25-2011, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Cave Creek, AZ USA
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I have no idea if it's the same in Arizona as it is in Alberta - but I can say for a fact that if there is another vehicle in the picture frame here, they will often throw the ticket out. Especially the way you describe the pictures - I would think that the radar is only capable of clocking one vehicle at a time.
You know, the more I stare at the photos, the more confused I get. The two photos from front and rear are stamped at the exact same time (down to the second), but the cars are just too far apart in one photo compared to the other for the two photos to have been snapped simultaneously. And it could look like my wife is gaining on the other car or being passed by the other car, depending on which photo was snapped first. I can't tell from the other cars' positions in the photos which was snapped first. If things worked here like in Canada, then this ticket would not have been mailed because, upon close inspection, it's just not clear who is going faster. Though the ticket does say lane 3 tripped the camera and wife is lane 3, if it goes right to left, 1 to 4.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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For those who claim that it is irrelevant that a process server may have lied over this matter, it is not.

And the two wrongs do not make a right string of logic is also odd. Waiting for proper service is not wrong at all. Lying under oath is actually a serious criminal act.

I really can not offer any practical advice for the OP. I know that a couple of the justice courts were throwing out all such tickets on the judge's own motion, regardless of whether someone came to court. But that is obviously not going to happen with a Scottsdale municipal court judge. Any litigation against the process server would have costs far exceeding the fine, and it would be hard to prove (although not the neighbor confirmation part).

An extremely detailed letter to the server's employer, explaining how her actions expose them to all sorts of litigation might make you feel better even if you stop pursuing the matter after that. If she did what you claim, it obviously was not the first time. When more calls, etc. come in with similar complaints, she may be forced to move on to a more honorable occupation like three-card monte dealer.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Chandler
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grow up man and quit crying pay the fine or go to court
maybe ur neighbor was lying 2u
 
Old 09-26-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: South Tempe, AZ
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I don't think complaining about the process server's alleged misconduct will serve any purpose in traffic court. Process servers are licensed by the state-- if there's a complaint process there, that is an option. As far as the ticket is concerned, your wife can go and raise the issues of the multiple car, etc., but I'd be prepared to pay it.
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It does seem hard to believe that a process server would even make three attempts with the very low fee that a city contract for photo radar tix would pay for their services. And the actual server would not receive even that full fee. With the cost of gasoline, etc, making things up seems to be an easier (although illegal) path.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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You know, the more I stare at the photos, the more confused I get. The two photos from front and rear are stamped at the exact same time (down to the second), but the cars are just too far apart in one photo compared to the other for the two photos to have been snapped simultaneously. And it could look like my wife is gaining on the other car or being passed by the other car, depending on which photo was snapped first. I can't tell from the other cars' positions in the photos which was snapped first. If things worked here like in Canada, then this ticket would not have been mailed because, upon close inspection, it's just not clear who is going faster. Though the ticket does say lane 3 tripped the camera and wife is lane 3, if it goes right to left, 1 to 4.

Multiple cameras, hence the same time.
Get to court already!
 
Old 09-29-2011, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Cave Creek, AZ USA
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Wifey has prepaid legal through work and it's in the lawyer's hands now. Will report back when it's done.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 07:53 PM
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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As a taxpayer in the City of Scottsdale - it would be nice if Mrs. Rick Lee had not wasted the money of my local government. My family does not go to Cave Creek and **** away your town's money.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Cave Creek, AZ USA
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Ok, I'll tell her to stay away and stop spending thousands of dollars a month there, since she spend every waking moment outside the house working or shopping in Scottsdale. You might want to tell Scottsdale to stop hiring dishonest process servers. It'd save you some money too. You're funny.
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