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Old 03-03-2012, 05:12 PM
 
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The "music" is not the main problem- when the "artist" is a self proclaimed gang member (not all rap performers are) the stage is pretty much set (pardon the pun) for what happened.
Yes, yes. The music is definitely NOT the problem. Angry and violent words really do not encourage a degenerate lifestyle in any way. And yes, these musicions are soooo misunderstood. Now if only we could keep those gangbanger violinists out of Phoenix Symphony ... it's turning into a H U G E problem. Huge. The cello players have formed their own gang now too, and a Mozart throw down is in the works.

You know, it would be great if the kids/teenagers who listen to the angry/ugly form of rap would be able to conceptualize whatever difference there may be between the music and the artist. How many people say "hold on, who is the artist and what is their lifestyle" before turning up the volume? It almost seems like todays entertainment culture glorifies the gang lifestyle.

True that not all rap songs are angry, and that not all rap performers are gang members. But what do we do about the ones that ARE?!? We have little control over what the radio stations play, they mix the good with the bad.
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Note to self: Avoid going to Rap concerts- actually, never go to a Rap concert- it's pretty obvious what's gonna happen.
Makes sense to me.

Rap Concert with Crips Gang Member could definitely equal trouble.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Note to self: Avoid going to Rap concerts- actually, never go to a Rap concert- it's pretty obvious what's gonna happen.
This is actually a pretty ignorant, generalized, broad statement to make. A shooting is not the typical result of a rap concert. I've been to plenty of shows in this particular genre of music and never once has there been any violence. This incident is tragic and hopefully those accountable are found and held liable for what they did but stating what you did is wrong. There are quite a few rap artists whose main message is to end violence...instead of playing into a stereotype you should educate yourself and know what you're talking about before you speak or post to a forum.
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:53 AM
 
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This is actually a pretty ignorant, generalized, broad statement to make. A shooting is not the typical result of a rap concert. I've been to plenty of shows in this particular genre of music and never once has there been any violence. This incident is tragic and hopefully those accountable are found and held liable for what they did but stating what you did is wrong. There are quite a few rap artists whose main message is to end violence...instead of playing into a stereotype you should educate yourself and know what you're talking about before you speak or post to a forum.
There's gotta be something to gangsta rap concerts that can make people do stupid stuff. I hardly heard about a shooting at a heavy metal concert. The headbangers can still get wild but don't usually cross the line.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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Let's get back to discussing the specific incident here in Tempe, please.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: South Tempe, AZ
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I actually don't think that ALL rap concerts end in violence, as was posted upthread. However, a performance by a self proclaimed member of a major gang, as happened in Tempe, would attract a more violent element. We don't even know where the shooters were from, or if they were even attending the event.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Tucson for awhile longer
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As a baby boomer myself (hate that term), I would remind readers that people got killed at rock concerts back in the day, when rap hadn't been invented and guns weren't as accessible and prevalent as they are here. Remember Altamont?

That said, I certainly hope law enforcement will have a sit-down with ALL the club bookers here. Just because they CAN make money by bringing known felons onto the local scene, doesn't mean they should, no matter how talented those people may be or how well-liked they are by fans.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:52 PM
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Location: East Central Phoenix
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As a baby boomer myself (hate that term), I would remind readers that people got killed at rock concerts back in the day, when rap hadn't been invented and guns weren't as accessible and prevalent as they are here. Remember Altamont?
True. There was not only Altamont, but the Who concert in Cincinnati back in 1979 when people were trampled to death. The difference between Altamont & the rap concert in Tempe, and the incident at the Who concert was weapons were involved at Altamont & the Tempe club. No weapons were responsible for the deaths at the Cincinnati event. Still doesn't matter though. Any kind of concert with loud fans carries this kind of risk. I DESPISE rap, but I've come to the conclusion that it's pretty silly to blame the kind of music for the tragic incident in Tempe.
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:51 PM
 
Location: In an alternate universe according to some, AKA Aspergers
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True. There was not only Altamont, but the Who concert in Cincinnati back in 1979 when people were trampled to death. The difference between Altamont & the rap concert in Tempe, and the incident at the Who concert was weapons were involved at Altamont & the Tempe club. No weapons were responsible for the deaths at the Cincinnati event. Still doesn't matter though. Any kind of concert with loud fans carries this kind of risk. I DESPISE rap, but I've come to the conclusion that it's pretty silly to blame the kind of music for the tragic incident in Tempe.
Well, like Tempe the Altamont incident was predictable as the Hells Angels are not known for peacefully keeping the peace.
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Old 03-04-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Cave Creek, AZ USA
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Well, like Tempe the Altamont incident was predictable as the Hells Angels are not known for peacefully keeping the peace.
But the guy they killed did, in fact, pull a gun. The common theme here is gangs, whether it be Bloods and Crips or Hell's Angels. I steer clear from events that could remotely attract any gang bangers.
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