Denver Or Phoenix (Tucson, Mesa, Glendale: sales, apartments, insurance)

[tscrilla]

Originally Posted by mortimer

tscrilla reported:

> Weather.com provides the following regarding Denver
> winter temps. Keep in mind this is only record highs.

> Temp Year
> 66°F (1997)
> ...
> 77°F (2006)

> So yes, the trend is upward. ....

That data does not show a trend. It is just a random
collection of record temperatures.

A collection of record temps showing an upward trend within the last 10 yrs.

[Buseck]

I like the cities Loveland and Boulder

[sheena]

Originally Posted by Boatdrinks

You can't be serious. You swim at Xmas?!? Is your pool heated? I've NEVER met anyone who swims outside at Xmas in an unheated pool. Our pool temp is easily in the 50's and 60's at Xmas. That feels good to you? If so, then no wonder you're miserable living in PHX

Brrrrrr I don't swim till the end of June in Phx and not much after the 2nd week in Sept.

[progrowth]

Originally Posted by sberdrow

Good points: allow a friendly debate on this if you will:

In the snow you can put a coat on and go about your business.

The snow usually goes away in a day, and then its sunny again

Snow is fun to play in, phoenix heat will cause skin problems when your older, of course people in phonix look older. Heat makes me want to stay inside, and stare out the window wishing I could go out and enjoy a beautiful sunny day. In Denver, its actually cozy with the fire place going, watching the snow,not only that but usually the sun is shinning there too. Like I said, Just put on a coat and go for a nice walk.

An 80 degree xmas, just doesnt do much for me....the cold kinda puts me in a better mood.

hey if it wernt for cold, I would not have felt so snuggly with my wife 5 years ago and my son may not have been born Cold is great for getting that arm around your lady on the first date

I just came from Austin Tx, with horrible heat.....I feel like I was running for my life when I discovered wonderful Denver. I will admit that I would take the dry heat of Phoenix/LA/Las Vegas over Austin.

I enjoy a nice cool feeling on my face when I go outside in the morning. I missed that when I lived in hot cities.

I do value your comments, but I must admit , you bring up a good point about "getting snuggly with your wife" thing when its cold. I guess in some cases if any couples are fighting with each other, PERHAPS they can go to denver on a cold day so that they can """""GET BACK TOGETHER""" !!!!

But anyway I snuggle up with my girlfriend and soon to be wife, ANYWAY!!
regardless of the weather. No weather will keep me from hugging or "touching " my girl.

[sberdrow]

Originally Posted by progrowth

I do value your comments, but I must admit , you bring up a good point about "getting snuggly with your wife" thing when its cold. I guess in some cases if any couples are fighting with each other, PERHAPS they can go to denver on a cold day so that they can """""GET BACK TOGETHER""" !!!!

But anyway I snuggle up with my girlfriend and soon to be wife, ANYWAY!!
regardless of the weather. No weather will keep me from hugging or "touching " my girl.

Just wait about 10 years.....see if you feel snuggly for no reason....Cold brings a certain ramance. Good luck in the future with the new wife. May you babies be Bronco Fans

[mortimer]

tscrilla incorrectly countered:

> > > Temp Year
> > > 66°F (1997)
> > > ...
> > > 77°F (2006)

> > > So yes, the trend is upward. ....

> > That data does not show a trend. It is just a random
> > collection of record temperatures.

> A collection of record temps showing an upward trend within
> the last 10 yrs.

No, the data is just a bunch of records that jumps from one year
to the next and back down. If you had plotted the data in order
of year, you would find that it starts low, then peaks and then declines
as it gets to later years. Even so, this *declining* trend (and it *is*
declining) doesn't mean anything. Records are meant to be broken.
You need averages, not records.

Also, January 15th is the coldest day of the year on average.
Showing temperatures rising after that, mean nothing.

If you had data showing average temperatures for January in 1995
through 2007 for every year that showed a trend, then you would have
something. Not much of something, since 12 years is just lost in the
noise.

The [1948 - 1974] and [1961 - 1990] and [1971 - 2000] from the
Western Regional Climate center is long term and and in order
(not random) -- like what you posted.

[Boatdrinks]

Originally Posted by DaveV

Our beaches don't get much warmer than that, yet I swim all summer..

Wow! Well I can tell you that I'd never want to swim in water that cold. But I'd imagine that there's something a bit more enjoyable about being in an ocean for an "invigorating swim" then jumping into your backyard pool in December. JMO though What do I know - I'm bundled up in sweats and a jacket in December

[tscrilla]

Originally Posted by mortimer

tscrilla incorrectly countered:

> > > Temp Year
> > > 66°F (1997)
> > > ...
> > > 77°F (2006)

> > > So yes, the trend is upward. ....

> > That data does not show a trend. It is just a random
> > collection of record temperatures.

> A collection of record temps showing an upward trend within
> the last 10 yrs.

No, the data is just a bunch of records that jumps from one year
to the next and back down. If you had plotted the data in order
of year, you would find that it starts low, then peaks and then declines
as it gets to later years. Even so, this *declining* trend (and it *is*
declining) doesn't mean anything. Records are meant to be broken.
You need averages, not records.

Also, January 15th is the coldest day of the year on average.
Showing temperatures rising after that, mean nothing.

If you had data showing average temperatures for January in 1995
through 2007 for every year that showed a trend, then you would have
something. Not much of something, since 12 years is just lost in the
noise.

The [1948 - 1974] and [1961 - 1990] and [1971 - 2000] from the
Western Regional Climate center is long term and and in order
(not random) -- like what you posted.

that's sure is a whole lot of records being broken recently, possibly because it's getting warmer on average

[ArizonaBear]

Global warming may indeed be real-------just like Ice Ages in the past

As for the Phoenix heat island effect-------that I do believe is 100% accurate.

Most major metro areas tend to be warmer @ the city core vs. the hinterlands.

[Cordell67]

I moved to Phoenix from Chicago and also lived in Denver. Phoenix is my personal choice even though I still have problems adjusting to the weather. This area varies considerably on school reputations and abilities, so do your research if you have school age children. By the way, there are more Bear fans and Cub fans here than any other city outside Chicago (including the St. Louis area).