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Old 04-26-2012, 04:55 AM
 
Location: San Tan Valley, AZ
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A 6 foot wall runs about $20-$25 per linear foot installed. So figure on $2500~ish with hauling away the old fence.
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I don't know how representative this is but I recently got a quote for a small (5x5) section to hide some pool parts and it was $380, so around $15/SF. That'd make your job $3000ish. It might be a lot cheaper per SF for larger jobs, though, I have no idea.

That's weird you're seeing houses with partially walled yards. That's not common. We love our walls out here.
Thanks for the info, guys! Where we're seeing the partial walls is in some of the 55+ communities. Some of the houses have the back and (sometimes) one side walled, but not both sides.... or some homes have walls on all 3 sides, but it's not closed in by a gate and/or small wall at the sides of the house!

We have a dog and need to have a closed in back yard.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: In an alternate universe according to some, AKA Aspergers
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I was quoted 30 per linear foot, 6 feet high, and that would be for the 8 inch thick, commercial style block, not that thin stuff the builders throw up.
There is a big difference between the "privacy" walls the builders put up and a real block wall (like you're talking about). I can push on our privacy wall and I feel wiggle and would bet if I pushed hard enough it'd tumble over. Having done sound wall construction (freeway) a proper block wall should have rebar running up through the holes in the block and then concrete poured in after the wall is built to tie it to the foundation. Obviously builders don't do that (at least ours didn't).
I wonder, does anyone use Vinyl fencing here? We've seen it everywhere else we've lived from MT to GA. Doesn't fade, not supposed to warp but I wonder if it'd get brittle in the sun/heat we have here? Personally I'd rather have that then this ugly block we now have.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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There is some vinyl fencing near me. It does get brittle. It's expensive, too. Pretty, though.

I had one fence mason tell me a lot of the walls around yards were built to flex around roots, etc., not to be solid. So they're almost of a hinged design. They can get wonky over time but they crack less.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Phoenix AZ
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There is a big difference between the "privacy" walls the builders put up and a real block wall (like you're talking about). I can push on our privacy wall and I feel wiggle and would bet if I pushed hard enough it'd tumble over. Having done sound wall construction (freeway) a proper block wall should have rebar running up through the holes in the block and then concrete poured in after the wall is built to tie it to the foundation. Obviously builders don't do that (at least ours didn't).
I wonder, does anyone use Vinyl fencing here? We've seen it everywhere else we've lived from MT to GA. Doesn't fade, not supposed to warp but I wonder if it'd get brittle in the sun/heat we have here? Personally I'd rather have that then this ugly block we now have.
The standard privacy walls are relatively cheap and go up fast. Yes, it might be possible to knock one down, but they don't fall on their own, and they do what they're designed to do - segregate your lawn from your neighbors.

FWIW, the main "pillars" of even that "cheap" 4" block wall should be standard 8" blocks with rebar running to the footing and the cavities filled with concrete. Those shouldn't be wobbly at all..

In a perfect world, every wall might be a 12" poured wall, stucco'ed on both sides, with rebar every six inches, and a footing that's four feet deep.

Perhaps with some laser-guided sound cannons (like those $500 Bose headphones) that will drown out your neighbor's dog when he starts barking...

But, you're not going to build that wall for ~$20 per linear foot, and even a fairly small lot needs a lot of fence or block... If your lot is 100 feet by 50 feet, that might be three-hundred feet of something... The difference in cost between 4" and 8" block could easily add three grand to an already large bill, with no real benefit to the homeowner, other than bragging rights... I'f you've got an extra couple of thousand laying around, certainly have those blocks stucco'ed & painted, that is a real improvement.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:16 AM
 
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If well constructed, there's no reason to go beyond 4" thickness, which is less expensive and will be in the $20-25/foot range for 6' height. Very solid if done right: someone from the city was out here and remarked on the build quality of the walls I'm having done. Should last for decades and do NOT flex.

Paint makes a big difference, especially when colormatched to go with the house. Stucco is a nice additional step, but I only did the front with stucco given the additional, substantial cost.

Plants/hedges/vines around them can also help, but make sure to go with
something that won't pose future root growth problems with the wall.

I'm going to put some low-level electrified wire all around the top of the fence once it's complete, to keep animals out/in.

Some like fence, some are indifferent or don't. Some of us like the privacy, reduced night lights and noise from neighbors, and being able to be outside in one's own world without staring at the neighbors, their backyards and in some cases, the junk they're oblivious to and have no shame about.

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Old 04-26-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I was thinking about walls while I was out this morning and how difficult my world would be without them. Take the simple matter of landscaping. I have a gold colored rock with plants along my walls. The guy next to me has a grass island surround by a red colored rock that comes up to his wall and then has his own plants along the wall. In the midwest world of the wall-less backyard, the choice of landscaping is grass, grass, or grass, But here, people might have grass, planters, palms, and dozens of shades of gravel that appeal to them. Without walls, we would just be a monolithic sea of something brown. Walls allow us to express our differences and take advantage of the myriad ways we can landscape our space in ways that don't intrude upon each other.
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:32 PM
 
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Paint makes a big difference, especially when colormatched to go with the house. Stucco is a nice additional step, but I only did the front with stucco given the additional, substantial cost.
Someone painted mine years ago and it looks like hell now. White paint falling off where water has hit it over the years, showing dark block underneath. I'd prefer to stucco it in a tinted stucco, and do it myself to save money. How hard could it be? You smear the gunk on the wall, right? I bet by the fourth or fifth panel you learn how to make it look ok.
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:59 AM
 
Location: 38,000 feet
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There may be a better reason for those stronger walls - this freak monsoon/microburst at Greenway and 40th street a few days ago toppled the cheaper walls. A microburst is like a mini-tornado that is localized in a small area, does its damage and then dissipates
Parts of the Valley left with severe damage following overnight monsoon storm - ABC15 Arizona
If you let the videos run, there are quite a few back to back on that link.

Here's a picture of some block wall damage. Not sure if anything could have protected this wall from a microburst, but not all the walls went down in that neighborhood. You can clearly see these are the cheaper, thinner blocks. I can see using those between two properties, but I think i would choose the heavier blocks for the walls facing the street.
Estimated cost of concrete block wall????-block-wall-down-2014-storm.jpg
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Old 07-30-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Chicago SW Suburbs > Phoenix SE Suburbs
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The're pretty common in the areas of California that I've visited as well. I even started a thread about them to find out the details. Question About Block Wall Fences

I think I'll like them too, though we do intend to paint (or stucco) ours a more pleasing color.
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Old 07-30-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Amongst the Cactus
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In some of the retirement communities I've seen MLS listings where it looked like many of the homes didn't have any kind of fencing at all and I know I wouldn't like that kind of non-privacy factor. I can see having no back fence or an open metal type fence to a common area or golf course but with a typical sandwiched in development that we have many of in the Phoenix metro without some kind of fence? No way for me.
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