5 of the past 7 cops were killed by illegals (Phoenix, Mesa: insurance, house)

[GirlinAZ]

This type of a post really irritates me. It is unnecessary and usually put up to start arguments about "illegals" which in and of itself in some circles is a racial slur. It would be so nice to not have to read about this everyday. Can one day go by where we do not have to have a post about this?
How much crime occurs from legals? Crime is crime. No one wants a police officer dead. However, it could have been committed just as easily by a "legal."
The only way that the illegal immigration will stop is if companies stop exploiting those workers and if the Mexican government stops their corruption. Also, there should be a serious dialog about developing businesses and thus jobs in Mexico. When the farmers couldn't compete with the US market, they moved into the cities for work. The cities already had more workers than jobs. Overcrowding occurs. Homeless are everywhere. Children live in STREET DRAINS. People go where work is. People need to feed themselves and their children. PERIOD.
This reminds me of the time during Hurricane Katrina when the press showed pictures of whites "finding food" and blacks "looting." Enough!

[Arizona Annie]

This is not about race. This is about a broken border and what has happened numerous times. This is not about immigration. This is about illegal aliens that keep coming and we have no idea who they are or what they are capable of. It is about honoring an officer of the law who gave his life protecting and serving the citizens of Phoenix. It is about the family he left behind when he was shot in the face by a criminal who was deported and simply came back over the border to continue committing crimes, something he has been doing since childhood. It has been a place where others have shared their personal experiences and losses. It has been a place for people to share their grief and for others to support them.

[Huckleberry3911948]

Originally Posted by joninaz

This is nuts.

Let me just preface this with the fact that I'm an immigrant. My family moved here when I was 6 and we all got green cards. My dad was a scientist and all three of us kids grew up, got degrees, and pay more into the system than we take. Immigrations has been key to this country's growth and is vital to the future. But is has to be managed.

This week's cop killer had been busted time and again. Deported 7 months ago, he kept showing up. He put a bullet in the face of a cop who stopped him for jaywalking. The last cop died for showing up to a bad check deal. Previous to that, a cop was killed for pulling soemone over for speeding. These weren't bak robbers or other heists. Just daily tasks that got terrribly violent.

It might help if the schools worked together to denounce this stuff.

people that have absolutely nothing to lose are dangerous.
a screening/filtering process is needed.
stephen s
san diego ca

[GirlinAZ]

Originally Posted by Arizona Annie

This is not about race. This is about a broken border and what has happened numerous times. This is not about immigration. This is about illegal aliens that keep coming and we have no idea who they are or what they are capable of. It is about honoring an officer of the law who gave his life protecting and serving the citizens of Phoenix. It is about the family he left behind when he was shot in the face by a criminal who was deported and simply came back over the border to continue committing crimes, something he has been doing since childhood. It has been a place where others have shared their personal experiences and losses. It has been a place for people to share their grief and for others to support them.

You are kidding yourself. I stand by what I said.

[TurcoLoco]

Originally Posted by NanawaleJulie

This type of a post really irritates me. It is unnecessary and usually put up to start arguments about "illegals" which in and of itself in some circles is a racial slur. It would be so nice to not have to read about this everyday. Can one day go by where we do not have to have a post about this?
How much crime occurs from legals? Crime is crime. No one wants a police officer dead. However, it could have been committed just as easily by a "legal."
The only way that the illegal immigration will stop is if companies stop exploiting those workers and if the Mexican government stops their corruption. Also, there should be a serious dialog about developing businesses and thus jobs in Mexico. When the farmers couldn't compete with the US market, they moved into the cities for work. The cities already had more workers than jobs. Overcrowding occurs. Homeless are everywhere. Children live in STREET DRAINS. People go where work is. People need to feed themselves and their children. PERIOD.
This reminds me of the time during Hurricane Katrina when the press showed pictures of whites "finding food" and blacks "looting." Enough!

Sorry, I agree with some of the things you mentioned but you are the one who really has given this topic a 'racial' purpose! Also the last paragraph was completely off topic, we are discussing crimes committed by illegal aliens, period! If the race happens to be mainly a certain 'race' or 'nationality' that doesn't change the facts nor should we say, of yeah, there are legal criminals too and one of them could have done this so we shouldn't even talk about the illegal criminals? Give me a break, you know how unrealistic this whole PC talk is?
I am an immigrant myself and I went through the rather annoying and sometimes logic lacking immigration process and there was even a time where, let's say my papers weren't in line and I was so nervous and sad and was extremely careful with eveything I did in any given day.
It is not like they are coming from a country like Canada, if things were so fricken bad down there and considering what kinda of crazy journey they have to go thru to get here, illegally but still, then of all the people out there, they should be the ones who should be grateful and also appreciative of being here and they should do everything in their power to show that (granted, some do) but those who do not have the slightest respect to the laws....forget the law, respect to this society and great country that has given them a job (legally or illegally) and put food on their table! What what do they do, they rape, mug, rob, kill, break all traffic laws and hurt/kill people, use and traffic drugs, etc. etc. and they do not go to jail or even properly deported and I am supposed to be quiet about it?
Give me a break Nana!
If deportation doesn't set them straight, I can think of several different ways that most certainly will....
So what if there are legal criminals, we are simply gonna overlook the illegal ones as well because of that? That makes absolutely no sense to me and I dare you to say what you typed here to that police officer's widow's face.

I do not mean to attack you but trying to make you realize, ignorance is NOT always a bliss!

Don't give me "oh you are being racist or insensitive" talk because I already mentioned what I had been through in this country and never did I even think of committing any crime or doing something with ill intentions just because life had handed me a few crappy cards!

One of my favorite movie lines (Jurassic Park): "I do not blame people for their mistakes but I expect them to pay for them!"

'Nuff said.

[GirlinAZ]

Originally Posted by TurcoLoco

Sorry, I agree with some of the things you mentioned but you are the one who really has given this topic a 'racial' purpose! Also the last paragraph was completely off topic, we are discussing crimes committed by illegal aliens, period! If the race happens to be mainly a certain 'race' or 'nationality' that doesn't change the facts nor should we say, of yeah, there are legal criminals too and one of them could have done this so we shouldn't even talk about the illegal criminals? Give me a break, you know how unrealistic this whole PC talk is?
I am an immigrant myself and I went through the rather annoying and sometimes logic lacking immigration process and there was even a time where, let's say my papers weren't in line and I was so nervous and sad and was extremely careful with eveything I did in any given day.
It is not like they are coming from a country like Canada, if things were so fricken bad down there and considering what kinda of crazy journey they have to go thru to get here, illegally but still, then of all the people out there, they should be the ones who should be grateful and also appreciative of being here and they should do everything in their power to show that (granted, some do) but those who do not have the slightest respect to the laws....forget the law, respect to this society and great country that has given them a job (legally or illegally) and put food on their table! What what do they do, they rape, mug, rob, kill, break all traffic laws and hurt/kill people, use and traffic drugs, etc. etc. and they do not go to jail or even properly deported and I am supposed to be quiet about it?
Give me a break Nana!
If deportation doesn't set them straight, I can think of several different ways that most certainly will....
So what if there are legal criminals, we are simply gonna overlook the illegal ones as well because of that? That makes absolutely no sense to me and I dare you to say what you typed here to that police officer's widow's face.

I do not mean to attack you but trying to make you realize, ignorance is NOT always a bliss!

Don't give me "oh you are being racist or insensitive" talk because I already mentioned what I had been through in this country and never did I even think of committing any crime or doing something with ill intentions just because life had handed me a few crappy cards!

One of my favorite movie lines (Jurassic Park): "I do not blame people for their mistakes but I expect them to pay for them!"

'Nuff said.

Again, you are also kidding yourself and I stand by what I said. I was speaking about more than this particular posting. There is a neverending supply of these types of postings and thus my lack of patience for them.
The last "paragraph" was exactly on point. It is called a parallel example. In addition, you are acting as though I stated that those who commit these crimes should not "pay for them."
You are putting words in my mouth.
I am sick of the term illegal in this forum. Period. I am tired of the topic. This is a dead horse beaten over and over. There are those on one side and those on the other. There always will be. My main point is: drop it.
The title of the posting was not: those who are grieving the loss of the police officers post here, or any such posting regarding grieving. This dealt with illegals. There is always a posting dealing with illegals. There is so much more to discuss about Phoenix.
It is one of those topics that are very heated, and no one will change anyone's views about their position. It is merely a venting area. I am so tired of it.
I have worked with many people that I suspect are not here legally. These are some of the best human beings I know. They work themselves harder than any American, anyday. They will bend over backwards to help me if I needed it. They ask for nothing in return. These are good people. They are in a bad situation. I do not think that this is a simple topic. My post should have shown that there is a lot involved.
I am just saying: let's give it a rest. If you look on the Hawaii forum, read the first sticky that discusses taking it easy on the hate postings. It needs to be added here on the illegal immigration topic. Give it a rest for awhile. It really has been discussed over and over again.
Also, you most certainly did mean to attack me by your tone, your lack of analytical thought and hostile discussion. For you to say that I should say this to the widow is absolutely ridiculous. I EMPATHIZE WITH ALL SIDES HERE. AS I SAID: NO ONE WANTS A POLICE OFFICER KILLED. AND ANYONE WHO DID SO, MUST BE PROSECUTED. REGARDLESS OF COLOR OR LEGAL STATUS, ETC.
And just what is this supposed to mean: "If deportation doesn't set them straight, I can think of several different ways that most certainly will...." Sounds like a threat.
I am not Mexican. I have no personal stake in this issue. However, I have been rich and I have been poor. When I was wealthy, I couldn't understand/empathize with others who weren't also. I see this often on these postings. It makes me feel profound sadness.
As far as the crime goes: whenever there is poverty- crime rises. This is accross the board. Mexican, black, white, etc.
This is NOT a political board is my point. This is a place for those who want to know about a city that they do not live in. They want to know about neighborhoods, job opportunities, etc.
I just want to be able to come on here and help people from other places when they have questions about the town in general. Nothing more and nothing less. There are plenty of websites where this type of posting and others like it, are welcomed and part of the reason they exist. This is not one of them.

[Bill-]

Originally Posted by NanawaleJulie

I am sick of the term illegal in this forum. Period. I am tired of the topic. This is a dead horse beaten over and over. There are those on one side and those on the other. There always will be. My main point is: drop it.

Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, but illegal immigration is an important topic to people who live in the Valley, and it should be talked about. I live in what is considered a "nice" part of town and a few months ago a drop house was raided about a mile from my house. There have also been several gun battles between smugglers on I-10 and the 202 within a few miles of my house. "Dropping it" only endorses the status quo, and I don't think anyone should find that acceptable.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by MotleyCrew

As we type, our Gov is at the border state meeting speaking about how she can't possibly put more N. Guardsmen down on our border because it is the responsibility of the Federal gov. We know how the Fed gov feels, so there we go. No fence, no more guardsmen and God help the minuteman that tries to stop one of the illegals.

$50 billion more for Iraq, though.

[artvandelay]

Bunky39 is correct.

"people that have absolutely nothing to lose are dangerous.
a screening/filtering process is needed."


Nana, you mention that where there is poverty, there is crime. Why then do we invite, under the table of course, or ignore millions more to joing the poverty class? This issue is SO relevant to life in Phoenix, and should be discussed.

This is the busiest illegal entry point in the nation. Wouldn't a prospective mover want to know about who inhabits the area? Sure, most illegals come here to feed their families and obey the law, some even want to assimilate. But when you have desparate people who are living in the shadows anyway, committing crimes and having an escape route away from consequences, it alters the entire way of life here.

It's a problem that has been ignored for so long that it can't be addressed anymore. The US is a country that values (worships) money above all else, and will continue to welcome an exploitable working class. I would absolutely come here illegally if my family's survival depended on it. And depending on how exploited I felt, I may or may not lash out at the establishment.

How many people go to a job they hate, are abused by their superiors, and put up with it because they need to pay bills? They might steal office supplies or money from the register, whatever. They don't leave the exploited situation because they need the money.

Until Mexico has a reason for people to stay, they will come. And as much as the anti-illegal folks (including myself)want to remove the incentive for them, our economy is past the point where we can do that. You reap what you sow when money is your God.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

$50 billion more for Iraq, though.

AMEN, Ponderosa . . . plus that damn BRIDGE TO NOWHERE in Alaska, etc, etc, etc!

Also, how many more Officer Nick Erfles do we need before Washington WAKES UP?