Police Chases (Phoenix: cars, office, property)

[sh9730]

As for the topic of pursuits - actually they are fairly common. Most do only last a few minutes though - not because the suspects give up as stated earlier (although some do), but more frequently because the suspects bail out on foot, many times after crashing the car. This usually all happens so fast that the media doesnt have time to get on scene.

Now - out in the more rural areas like down here in Pinal County - longer pursuits are much more common (almost daily)because there are fewer places to bail out on foot and hide and the drug runners do not want to lose the cargo they are carrying - so they last longer. But again, the media doesnt get to them quickly enough to broadcast most times....

[bigDwiki]

Originally Posted by sh9730

As for the topic of pursuits - actually they are fairly common. Most do only last a few minutes though - not because the suspects give up as stated earlier (although some do), but more frequently because the suspects bail out on foot, many times after crashing the car. This usually all happens so fast that the media doesnt have time to get on scene.

Now - out in the more rural areas like down here in Pinal County - longer pursuits are much more common (almost daily)because there are fewer places to bail out on foot and hide and the drug runners do not want to lose the cargo they are carrying - so they last longer. But again, the media doesnt get to them quickly enough to broadcast most times....

This is more along the lines of what I was thinking. I asked a friend of mine that owns a scanner about this subject and he said that it happens at least once a day somewhere in the valley, but it lasts only a few minutes because the police don't tolerate it.

It's always puzzled me why police in their V8 cars let people in the V4 minivans and cars go on for as long as they do. Seems to me like they should put a stop to it early on.

[Zippyman]

Originally Posted by Kimballette

Well, if you mean a vicious () animal, then I'd say:

1. If the police warned the suspect to surrender first (which they always do), and
2. the suspect refused,
3. then the suspect has no one to blame but himself/herself.
4. Why would the suspect have "an inherent right to defend" himself/herself???

And I agree with observer. Those wild police chases are always heavily publicized in local news, wherever they occur. Things are not going unreported.

They would have a right to defend themselves because:
1: Most of the country still believes in the constitution,
2: suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law
3: we haven't *quite* reached the point where a judge would sentence someone to mauling by a dog.
4: (except in sun city) - id suspect if sheriff Joe wanted to form an "elite dog mauling task force", he'd win by an even bigger margin.

[New Horizons]

Originally Posted by Kimballette

Well, if you mean a vicious () animal, then I'd say:

1. If the police warned the suspect to surrender first (which they always do), and
2. the suspect refused,
3. then the suspect has no one to blame but himself/herself.
4. Why would the suspect have "an inherent right to defend" himself/herself???

And I agree with observer. Those wild police chases are always heavily publicized in local news, wherever they occur. Things are not going unreported.

Well maybe I shouldn't have used the word "right" but maybe self preservation instinct. The robber screws up and doesn't surrender, now here comes the dog. At that point the human instinct of protecting itself kicks in and let's just say he has a gun. I'm not trying to side with the criminal, it's just one of those thoughts I've always pondered. Anyway back to police chases.

[Magnum Mike]

Originally Posted by Zippyman

They would have a right to defend themselves because:
1: Most of the country still believes in the constitution,
2: suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law
3: we haven't *quite* reached the point where a judge would sentence someone to mauling by a dog.
4: (except in sun city) - id suspect if sheriff Joe wanted to form an "elite dog mauling task force", he'd win by an even bigger margin.

It doesn't, and it should not matter where you live, if a person commits a serious crime, he or she has given up their constitutional rights, except maybe for the Miranda right.

Police officers determine whether they need to release a canine on the suspect to help in apprehending them. If a criminal was involved in a very serious criminal act, that suspect is viewed as potentially dangerous and police often have no choice but to release a canine on the suspects. The bottom line is, when a suspect is warned of what will happen if he or she doesn't surrender, then what other means do police need to convince the suspect to surrender? You have to put yourself in a dangerous situation as many of our police officers do to be able to make the determination on the use of canines or other weapons. If a dangerous criminal get bit by a canine, they should consider themselves lucky because the outcome could have been worse.

On police chases, we never had that problem before in Phoenix, but they started becoming more common in recent years. I can't understand why these idiots want to risk their own lives, and the lives of others by getting involved in such dangerous pursuits, especially when they know that no criminal has ever been able to get away in such situations.

[motormaker]

Originally Posted by bigDwiki

V4 minivans

V4 minivans??????

[bigDwiki]

Originally Posted by motormaker

V4 minivans??????

Toyota Sienna...

[Finger Laker]

Originally Posted by bigDwiki

Toyota Sienna...

Mine has a V6 and a good amount of go in it

I'm also not sure exactly what that has to do with a chase scenario as you have to account for the safety of the police driver and the other drivers on the roadway

[observer53]

Let's keep this thread confined to the original topic of police chases, and not go off into other aspects of law enforcement activity.

[motormaker]

Originally Posted by bigDwiki

Toyota Sienna...

Nope, it's a I4.