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Old 12-05-2007, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE View Post
Properties are projected to increase in value at a heavy rate when they build the Mall of America type mall, auto mall. hospital area in Surprise. I don't know how they would lose money over there either.
I don't about the Mall of America/auto mall/hospital in Suprise. If you have a second, tell me about it. I would be excited to know...no sarcasm intended, I'm being serious. Love to know
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:46 AM
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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I read about it at the City of Surprise web site. Also within this Forum there is additional information. There is a development that will break ground soon that extends along both sides of the 303. It is supposed to include a massive mall similar to the Mall of America. 20,000 jobs are projected for the area. Catholic Healthcare West is also going to build a new hospital in the area. Also a large auto mall with most of the auto manufactures will also be there. It is a master planned build that will include housing. Can't remember the name of the development, maybe someone else can help with that. There is also a rumor that they are trying to get 6 flags to build an amusement park there. Also included is office parks. From what I hear this is the development that turns Surprise from a bedroom community to a full fledged live in and work in city. That would more fit there motto, "Live, Work, and Play in Surprise."
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Old 12-05-2007, 08:29 AM
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I did vote against the waveyard. Sure everyone likes the idea of the project (When it's not it their own back yard). I wonder if they decided to place Disney World right next to your home if you would have the same attitude. If you are really concerned about drought in Phoenix why would you support such an obvious drain on our most precious natural resource? Oh but it's all in the name of progress? Well if that is your argument let's fire up the bulldozers pave over the entire desert, build a waterslide on every corner, & build high rise condos until the valley looks like downtown Tokyo.

I agree with you there is no real way to stop progress. People are going to come to the valley, build pools, have grass lawns, use golf courses; if there is money to be made someone will find a way. At some point we have to look at the pros and cons of what we are doing to our water supply or we might find ourselves rationing water someday. Building another gigantic water park in the middle of the desert seems completely asinine to me.
I've seen the plans too, it looks like a really awesome idea, I get it PHX is hot so water equals a cooler summer.
However I don't want my tax dollars being given away on a project that will be a drain on our natural resources and cause even more traffic problems. Not to mention they are basically giving property valued at over $65 million away for more then half the cost.
If you lived in Mesa, dealt with the shady politicians & corruption you might change your mind.
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:09 AM
Location: East Central Phoenix
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I still question why so many NIMBYs seem to throw a fit about theme parks, highrises, and other such amenties which are new & different, and will benefit the entire area as a whole ... but they never seem to protest the multitudes of cookie cutter developments, and outward sprawl which has been allowed to continue for years. Why all the uproar over one theme park, but no outrage over dozens of new big box outlets and look alike subdivisions springing up in the suburbs?
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Old 12-15-2007, 07:52 PM
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Has anybody seen the opinion piece in the "New Yoawk Times" about Waveyard? Here it is, in case you're interested in reading it:

Pretty typical of east coast journalists to stick their noses where they don't belong, and slam things which they know very little about. We don't criticize New Yorkers for being loud, rigid, pushy, arrogant, materialistic snobs who pay thousands of dollars a month for rent in tiny, rat infested apartments ... do we? OK, maybe I just made some critical remarks, but as a rule we're not critical of their way of life. Most New Yorkers are too self centered to care about much of anything west of New Joisey, so why should they care if Mesa builds a water based theme park?
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Old 12-15-2007, 11:35 PM
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Here is the information regarding the large mall and other developments that are being developed in Surprise on both sides of the 303 freeway.

http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/AboutUs/ArticleView.aspx?id=1693 (broken link)
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