How do you remember Phoenix? Stories from long time residents... (Scottsdale: taxes, wealthy)

[azdr0710]

Originally Posted by deraffe

yea, there is a street named Marston after her, about tatum and mcdonald IIRC.

yea, we, including the police, know who it was, but it could never be proven in court. that person died last year, so i guess they'll get what is comming to them.

I saw that Marston street the other day....yeah, it's on the NW side of McDonald and Tatum in that housing development there built in the late 70s or early 80s.....

can I ask if it was a family member?.....I don't know any of the details, but wondering if it was random or not....did she know who you think did it?

[Westside Willie]

]Some more historic photo resources - here's a link to hi-resolution photos of old federal courthouses


Thanks AZ Mike. Great shots. BTW the Federal Building still stands on the SW corner of 1st ST & Van Buren.
Heres a close up from about a year ago.

[Arizona Mike]

Originally Posted by Westside Willie

]Some more historic photo resources - here's a link to hi-resolution photos of old federal courthouses


Thanks AZ Mike. Great shots. BTW the Federal Building still stands on the SW corner of 1st ST & Van Buren.
Heres a close up from about a year ago.

Yep, I think it's mostly used for immigration law cases now.

[Jwilson27]

Aj661 Wow Legend city, I heard many stories about that place from my mom.

"I've heard stories of when I-17 stopped at Bell Rd and everything up here in North Phoenix was just orange tree groves in every direction...that must have been something!"

Out in the east valley where Higley [now Gilbert] by the old Higley Post office use to be nothing but groves.

I remember when people moving out to Gilbert were considered crazy for living so far out.

Down town Scottsdale would offer helicopter rides, Does anyone know if they still do.

Canyon lake use to be free to park and main street/Apache trail was the only way to get out there.

[roosevelt]

Does anyone remember the Cow Palace milk depot on north 7th Street in Sunnyslope? I was talking to someone who, along with some buddies, stole the black and white cow off the roof about 1970. It may have also been called the Cow Dairy Drive In, located at 8528 N. 7th Street.

There was another drive through dairy down about 6200 north 7th Street run by an elderly couple but I don't think they had a cow on the roof.

[deraffe]

Originally Posted by azdr0710

I saw that Marston street the other day....yeah, it's on the NW side of McDonald and Tatum in that housing development there built in the late 70s or early 80s.....

can I ask if it was a family member?.....I don't know any of the details, but wondering if it was random or not....did she know who you think did it?

yep. not a random person.
i know that the land where the lowes on scottsdale and mcdowell was owned by her trust and had a crazy 99 year lease on it. when k-mart was on it they could not get out of the lease until they found someone else to take it over, she was a shrewd business woman and made some awesome bread and butter pickles. i remember calling here the pickle lady (i was only 3 when she was killed) and having aunt helen's pickles around for years after.

IIRC the land trust was set up to go to her son's 2 children. how would you like to own that chunk of land now?

[observer53]

It's Hayden and McDowell, but still pretty prime real estate. Lots of us who' ve been here a LONG time have stories about land our families could have bought back then, and where we might be now if they had...

[azdr0710]

the place I have in Scottsdale is on a land lease deal set up in the mid-1960s.....two grandchildren of the original owner now get a check for $50,000 every month, each.....

yeah, we all wonder why our parents or grandparents didn't buy up land out here when they moved here or when they were visiting.....some did, like the Herbergers, DeConcinis, Marleys, and many others....others would take one look at the rocky, scrubby land, miles from anywhere with no access, and think no way could that land ever be worth $2,000,000++ an acre some day.....

[locolobo13]

Originally Posted by azdr0710

the place I have in Scottsdale is on a land lease deal set up in the mid-1960s.....two grandchildren of the original owner now get a check for $50,000 every month, each.....

yeah, we all wonder why our parents or grandparents didn't buy up land out here when they moved here or when they were visiting.....some did, like the Herbergers, DeConcinis, Marleys, and many others....others would take one look at the rocky, scrubby land, miles from anywhere with no access, and think no way could that land ever be worth $2,000,000++ an acre some day.....

lol. When my Dad first moved to Arizona in the 50s his uncle told him he should buy land near the superstitions. It was empty desert and dirt cheap. He just needed to cough up $100 min. Dad didn't have $100 in the 50s.

[roosevelt]

Originally Posted by locolobo13

lol. When my Dad first moved to Arizona in the 50s his uncle told him he should buy land near the superstitions. It was empty desert and dirt cheap. He just needed to cough up $100 min. Dad didn't have $100 in the 50s.

This is exactly right, many people did not have the money to buy land and then sit on it for 30 years. Some people wanted to but couldn't; others never thought of land as an investment, they are usually the ones that talk about what they could have bought land for, like my grandfather, a farm at Thomas and Central for a $1 an acre but he didn't like the soil.

I have an aerial photo of Scottsdale Road and McDowell in 1958. The Los Arcos Mall land is totally vacant desert; the Chevy dealer land on the northeast corner was vacant desert; The Bob's Big Boy 40 acre corner was crops; the last corner, southwest, was a gas station but nothing around it until you get to a small house subdivision south of it. I heard at the time Bob's bought their corner lot the price was $10,000. As far as the eye can see to the mountains, desert in all directions except for a few farms. Just amazing.