Why does Joe Arpaio keep getting re-elected? (Phoenix: how much, to buy)

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

I believe you're older (by older I mean not an inexperienced kid) like me and I'm sure you've noticed the same thing I have. Almost all of my friends, family, coworkers and even myself who used to drink with dinner while out or go to bars have stopped because the aggressiveness of law enforcement agencies makes the risk too great?

I don't need a study as I can see the results all around me. If agencies were not so aggressive I would still have a beer with my dinner while dinning out.

I don't have a say in finding a tough Police Chief in the local departments since they are hired but I do have a choice in voting for a tough Sheriff which doesn't have to be Sheriff Joe he just happens to be the one on the ballot.

If you feel safer because I'm too scared to have a glass of wine with dinner because of LEOs that have the authority to arrest below the legal limit, you're fooling yourself. Those of us that are deterred from having a drink or two with dinner are not the ones that you have to worry about killing you or your family members. I feel absolutely no safer because people can get arrested at a 0.02 than if they could only do so at 0.08. You have to have a better platform than that.

[Steve Pickering]

Narrow or wide, he won. You can say the same thing for Obama.

[thinkalot]

A few things about tent jail. Only those found guilty are sent there. Joe decides who goes. No judge sentences a person to tent jail.

[observer53]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

I believe you're older (by older I mean not an inexperienced kid) like me and I'm sure you've noticed the same thing I have. Almost all of my friends, family, coworkers and even myself who used to drink with dinner while out or go to bars have stopped because the aggressiveness of law enforcement agencies makes the risk too great?

I don't need a study as I can see the results all around me. If agencies were not so aggressive I would still have a beer with my dinner while dinning out.

I don't have a say in finding a tough Police Chief in the local departments since they are hired but I do have a choice in voting for a tough Sheriff which doesn't have to be Sheriff Joe he just happens to be the one on the ballot.

The tough DWI laws all over this STATE have nothing to do with Sheriff Joe or any other local sheriff. Those "aggressive agencies" in metro Phoenix are by and large DPS and the local police departments, not the MCSO.

People just tend to give him credit for things that have nothing, or very little, to do with him.

[LBTRS]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

If you feel safer because I'm too scared to have a glass of wine with dinner because of LEOs that have the authority to arrest below the legal limit, you're fooling yourself. Those of us that are deterred from having a drink or two with dinner are not the ones that you have to worry about killing you or your family members. I feel absolutely no safer because people can get arrested at a 0.02 than if they could only do so at 0.08. You have to have a better platform than that.

While I see the point you're trying to make, I ask that you consider this...how many of those people that are too frightened to drink with dinner or go to a bar out of fear, would have let one drink become two, then three, until they were impaired?

I think anyone who thinks that more people drinking with dinner or going to bars, knowing they have to drive afterwards, wouldn't result in more people screwing up and having a few too many is not being realistic. If more people have the opportunity to screw up more people will screw up. Can anyone really argue that less people drinking at restaurants and bars that have to drive afterwards doesn't make us safer?

I can't screw up because I don't go to bars or drink while out to dinner. If alcohol can affect your ability to safely drive do you think that it may also affect your ability to stop drinking at the proper point before you get behind the wheel?

[kytoaz]

Only in America is the word "safety" used on an hourly basis. the media and those like sheriff joe who use it to further their own agendas love scaring the crap out of everybody. I've lived a long time in a lot of different places and I refuse to let the fear of something bad happening rule my life or turn my head to the abuse of power that it leads to. If your so worried about safety I suggest you never leave your homes, not even to go to the polling place, because something bad might happen on the way.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

You're contradicting yourself...So the law is .08 which you say doesn't deter you but what does deter you are the law enforcement agencies (Sheriff Joe and other tough agencies) that choose to aggressively enforce the limit down to .03-.05???

As I said, his (and others) aggressiveness keeps you AND ME from drinking with dinner or going to bars and driving afterwards. I think that makes my point that we are safer.

I'm not arguing if his aggressiveness is "right" I'm just defending my stance that we are safer which others in this thread have stated isn't factual. Your post seems to illustrate my point perfectly.

0.08 doesn't deter me. I own a breathalyzer that has been calibrated. The fact that a police decides (and not a legal BAL limit) is what deters me. I can be at 0.03 after one beer.

I suppose we are safer if everyone is paranoid to drive after a beer. But is that a smart policy?

[LBTRS]

Originally Posted by observer53

The tough DWI laws all over this STATE have nothing to do with Sheriff Joe or any other local sheriff. Those "aggressive agencies" in metro Phoenix are by and large DPS and the local police departments, not the MCSO.

People just tend to give him credit for things that have nothing, or very little, to do with him.

You may be right. The credit being given to him along with his other policies and tent city do have a deterrent effect, at least to me. So consider yourself safer because Sheriff Joe's reputation keeps me at home anytime I want to drink.

[Steve Pickering]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

0.08 doesn't deter me. I own a breathalyzer that has been calibrated. The fact that a police decides (and not a legal BAL limit) is what deters me. I can be at 0.03 after one beer.

I suppose we are safer if everyone is paranoid to drive after a beer. But is that a smart policy?

It's a sad world when you drink so much you have to own your own breathalyzer.

[Steve Pickering]

Did anyone else notice many of the posters are not even Arizona residents.