4cyl Cars Inadequate for Phoenix (legal, safer, move)

[PoppySead]

Originally Posted by jaredC

I have a buddy on the Phx PD, and the only time he has cited a driver for impeding traffic is when that individual was going under the speed limit. You wont get a ticket for impeding traffic by going 4-5 mph OVER the posted. That, as my bud says, is a speeding ticket. And going " with the flow" is still inviting a speeding ticket.

This is very true, you can pay a fine for one mile over. If you are ever in court over a speeding ticket and you say you were going with the flow of traffic to get out of it that is an automatic lose for you. You are just admitting to speeding and you will be found guilty of such. I hope nobody tries this, it will not work.

Also, no excuse for speeding is taken. You are just admitting to speeding if you use an excuse like these and this will guarantee your fine in court. It's almost impossible to get out of a speeding ticket.

You are absolutely right, and the only reason certain people get away with speeding is luck. The cop can only pull one car over at a time.

[PoppySead]

Originally Posted by jimj

Not to beat this horse to death but think about what you just said and the point gets driven home. While a conviction may not occur you've still spent your time on the side of the road while it's written and then get to spend your time in a wonderful courtroom conviction or not.
Point made.

Most always they will be found guilty in court. They will be admitting to speeding stating the "flow of traffic" excuse. It's not a very smart strategy for getting out of a speeding ticket.

My advice, only speed if you don't mind paying fines once in awhile. Everyone makes their own choices. I choose not to speed, that shouldn't make me a victim of harassment from other drivers who choose not to obey traffic laws.

The posted speed limit is the speed limit, if you don't agree with it and go over it you will be speeding. Period.

[jaredC]

Originally Posted by jimj

Not to beat this horse to death but think about what you just said and the point gets driven home. While a conviction may not occur you've still spent your time on the side of the road while it's written and then get to spend your time in a wonderful courtroom conviction or not.
Point made.

So your saying, that if the flow of traffic is going, say, 15-20 mph over the posted, that you and everyone else should do the same? So the freeway turns into Firebird Raceway. That's safe. The officer would never cite for impeding traffic if your going slightly above the limit. Won't happen. They know its a waste of time. For you and them. If they are looking to cite someone, it will be the moron going 15+ on the freeway. Those people are a danger to us all. They are the reasons why there are so many accidents on our freeways. Keeping at 5 mph above the posted is safe. It still allows enough response time to act in the event you have to pull over for emergency vehicles or merge in a lane. Sorry, my 20's are behind me, and I don't care about how fast I can go but how better my odds of getting to point B by driving safe.

[PoppySead]

Going with the flow of traffic means, go the speed limit. If you are drunk and can't keep up with the flow of traffic you'll get a sighted for both being drunk and not keeping up with the flow of traffic or better noted, reckless driving.

It doesn't mean you can speed if everyone around you is catching each others back wind. You can get a speeding ticket for this, even if it's only 5 or 6 over the limit. Just because you break the law with others doesn't mean you aren't speeding. You are all taking your chances together, one of you might lose that gamble.

[jaredC]

Yup, like 8 or so years ago, I was on the I-10, going with the flow at 81 mph in a 75. I was pulled over and cited. 6mph over.

[pbenjamin]

Since no one here has reported any actual experience of someone getting a ticket for "impeding the flow of traffic" while driving the speed limit, it is reasonable to conclude that it doesn't happen. It's clearly poor behavior to do it in the fast lane, but that's the extent of it.

[jaredC]

Originally Posted by pbenjamin

Since no one here has reported any actual experience of someone getting a ticket for "impeding the flow of traffic" while driving the speed limit, it is reasonable to conclude that it doesn't happen. It's clearly poor behavior to do it in the fast lane, but that's the extent of it.

Hey, I completely agree. If you want to go 15+ above the posted in the fast lane, then by all means do it. I know I have done it once or twice. But if the person is a road hog and wants to do the same 15+in the slow or merging lane, well they are plain irresponsible and dangerous.

[ElleTea]

I drive a 4 Cyl. A 1.6L, 6 speed, turbo 4 Cyl. No issues with not being able to keep up with anyone, but I don't gun it at lights, and I don't understand the RACE to get to the meter light on the 101. Let's all go as fast as we can so we can come to a stop immediately. DUMB.

Those who want you to get out of their way are usually sitting at a red light as you approach, so that didn't get them very far did it? I was able to see a traffic weaver get nailed by a cop on the way home one night, too. Zooming in and out of traffic, tailgating, etc...then the red lights came on. It's nice when those types of drivers actually get caught!

[Java Jolt]

I think it's pretty fair to state that both speeders and drivers who stall the traffic flow can be dangerous and irritating.

I personally don't know anyone who has been stopped and ticketed for driving under the speed limit but I know you can be stopped for going even one mile over in bad weather, construction zones, school zones, and congested traffic.

Depends largely on the situation and the officer.

[PoppySead]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

I think it's pretty fair to state that both speeders and drivers who stall the traffic flow can be dangerous and irritating.

I personally don't know anyone who has been stopped and ticketed for driving under the speed limit but I know you can be stopped for going even one mile over in bad weather, construction zones, school zones, and congested traffic.

Depends largely on the situation and the officer.

True enough, but I really don't see how anyone going the speed limit can stall traffic which is suppose to also be going the posted speed limit. They simply aren't joining the herd of speeders, and refuse to be harassed into it. People going over the limit should expect to have to pass those of us who are. If they are angry about it they can "you know what" lol

As far as I know the left lane isn't reserved for people who feel the need to exceed the speed limit, it's for people who are not turning or merging. That way you can clear the way for others entering or exiting the freeway. To say that those who choose to go the speed limit need to stay in the right lane and endanger those merging on and off is ridiculous. IMO. Speeders have no rights on the left lane of the freeway.

Anyone who stalls traffic going under the speed limit will be pulled over due to suspicion of drunk or impaired driving. You can't legally stall traffic if you are going the posted speed limit. This is in the imagination of the speeder, it's not reality.