Shooting in Mesa Today (robbery, charge, race)

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

The topic isn't about streetgangs, it's about a maniac who happened to be a neo-nazi.

My point was this is another blemish on the state because it's another case of a deranged skinhead who went on a shooting rage in Arizona.

There was Jared Loughner, now this lunatic, and then Ponderosa wrote about another shinhead shooting people in Gilbert that I forgot about.

It makes Arizona look like a hotbed for gun-crazed lunatics and neo-nazis.

You seem to dismiss neo-nazi types as nothing to worry about, but they're just as plentiful and dangerous as the gang members.

The difference seems to be gang members usually target their rival gang members, but skinheads usually target anyone in sight and don't care who they injure or kill.

Skinheads are nowhere near the numbers of gang members. What makes you think that? Just curious, not trying to be rude or anything.

As far as AZ's image as a "hotbed for gun-crazed lunatics and neo-nazis", I might agree to some extent about the gun thing, but not the neo-Nazi comment. The skinheads are far more notorious in places like Oregon, Montana, etc, where they actually have a decent presence, and compounds they hang out at.

Gangbangers might try to target other gang bangers, but many of them have gotten downright racial. Mexican gangs fighting black gangs on a mass scale in LA. In some areas its not about drugs or neighborhood control, but strictly race. Gangbangers shoot and kill innocents on a daily basis, its a big problem. Skinheads? They maybe kill a few people a year at best. Gangbangers in Chicago kill more than that in a single day. Therefore I would classify gangbangers are far more dangerous.

[5Percent]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Skinheads are nowhere near the numbers of gang members. What makes you think that? Just curious, not trying to be rude or anything.

As far as AZ's image as a "hotbed for gun-crazed lunatics and neo-nazis", I might agree to some extent about the gun thing, but not the neo-Nazi comment. The skinheads are far more notorious in places like Oregon, Montana, etc, where they actually have a decent presence, and compounds they hang out at.

Gangbangers might try to target other gang bangers, but many of them have gotten downright racial. Mexican gangs fighting black gangs on a mass scale in LA. In some areas its not about drugs or neighborhood control, but strictly race. Gangbangers shoot and kill innocents on a daily basis, its a big problem. Skinheads? They maybe kill a few people a year at best. Gangbangers in Chicago kill more than that in a single day. Therefore I would classify gangbangers are far more dangerous.

Most if not all mass shootings are at the hands of West Europeans. 40% of unsolved murders happen in rural America, where there are VERY few minorities. West Europeans are, and always have been, more prone to serial killing, destruction, and criminality than any other race on the planet, despite how the American government try to distort the numbers.

In this case, does anyone know if all the victims were of West European descent?

[kct987]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Skinheads are nowhere near the numbers of gang members. What makes you think that? Just curious, not trying to be rude or anything.

As far as AZ's image as a "hotbed for gun-crazed lunatics and neo-nazis", I might agree to some extent about the gun thing, but not the neo-Nazi comment. The skinheads are far more notorious in places like Oregon, Montana, etc, where they actually have a decent presence, and compounds they hang out at.

Gangbangers might try to target other gang bangers, but many of them have gotten downright racial. Mexican gangs fighting black gangs on a mass scale in LA. In some areas its not about drugs or neighborhood control, but strictly race. Gangbangers shoot and kill innocents on a daily basis, its a big problem. Skinheads? They maybe kill a few people a year at best. Gangbangers in Chicago kill more than that in a single day. Therefore I would classify gangbangers are far more dangerous.

Just curious, what makes you such an expert on skinheads?

[ajonesaz]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

The topic isn't about streetgangs, it's about a maniac who happened to be a neo-nazi.

My point was this is another blemish on the state because it's another case of a deranged skinhead who went on a shooting rage in Arizona.

There was Jared Loughner, now this lunatic, and then Ponderosa wrote about another shinhead shooting people in Gilbert that I forgot about.

It makes Arizona look like a hotbed for gun-crazed lunatics and neo-nazis.

You seem to dismiss neo-nazi types as nothing to worry about, but they're just as plentiful and dangerous as the gang members.

The difference seems to be gang members usually target their rival gang members, but skinheads usually target anyone in sight and don't care who they injure or kill.

Jared Loughner was not a "nazi". He suffered from schizophrenia. The guy was crazy but not racially motivated.... mass shootings have been a problem everywhere, not just in our state.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by kct987

Just curious, what makes you such an expert on skinheads?

It goes way back to high school. haha I did a current events report on the skinhead attack in PA many, many years ago. It was one of those 30-minute speeches for class, so I did many weeks worth of research on neo-Nazis in America. Learned alot.

[DOUBLE H]

I have a question for you Mesa folks. I was thinking of taking a run into the Phoenix area sometime in the next few weeks, I shop with a variety of mom and pop businesses and one of my favorite stops is Bookman's on Country Club Drive. How close is Bookman's to where the shooting occurred?

[ajonesaz]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE H

I have a question for you Mesa folks. I was thinking of taking a run into the Phoenix area sometime in the next few weeks, I shop with a variety of mom and pop businesses and one of my favorite stops is Bookman's on Country Club Drive. How close is Bookman's to where the shooting occurred?

About 4 miles

[seattlecoming]

Arizona seems to attract a good share of these low lifes- the shaved heads, bodies covered in tattoos, et al. I remember seeing quite a few of those types when I lived there. Not all of them are nazis or homicidal maniacs but they sure look the part. At the very least they are low-class, seedy characters.

[sargeant79]

Originally Posted by seattlecoming

Arizona seems to attract a good share of these low lifes- the shaved heads, bodies covered in tattoos, et al. I remember seeing quite a few of those types when I lived there. Not all of them are nazis or homicidal maniacs but they sure look the part. At the very least they are low-class, seedy characters.

Now how do you know that? Not every bald guy with tattoos is a low-class, seedy character.

[Rico Valencia]

Originally Posted by 5Percent

Most if not all mass shootings are at the hands of West Europeans. 40% of unsolved murders happen in rural America, where there are VERY few minorities. West Europeans are, and always have been, more prone to serial killing, destruction, and criminality than any other race on the planet, despite how the American government try to distort the numbers.

In this case, does anyone know if all the victims were of West European descent?

I guess you never heard about the DC snipers, who are of African descent. It also appears that you conveniently forgot about The Mack daddy of all mass shootings, the Virginia Tech massacre. The VA Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho, who was Asian, went onto massacre 32 people and wounded an additional 17 which makes it the deadliest mass shooting to date. It sounds like you have a racial agenda against white people, so very sad