Photo Radar Advice (Phoenix, Scottsdale: homes, legally, license plates)

[TikiTy]

Originally Posted by 101trap

If you respond to the "ticket" by sending it in or even by going on line and looking up your photo on their website which 95% of people do, you have been served and have waived your right to be served in person.

Dave said since i live out of state chances of me being served out of state are extremely slim. If you are not served in person within 120 days from the incident(s) the "tickets" are dismissed as though they never have happened.

I don't believe that checking the ticket online waives your right to be served. From what I've read, signing the waiver and returning it waives your right to be personaly served. I live out of state, I checked the ticket video online to see what its all about and I'm going to make AZ serve me as that is my right if they want me to pay. Does anyone else agree or know where in the states code it defines what constitutes waiver of service?

[kmn280]

I was visiting pheonix in april (im from out of state) and just recieved a photo radar ticket in the mail. I have done all the research regarding recieving the ticket in the mail and advice about waiting to being personally served and am currently making a decision of what to do. I just wanted to know of the people who recieved tickets in the mail and decided to throw them out in order to be personally served how many actually did. How many were out of state?


Also being out of state and on the east coast, if i ignore the ticket in the mail and be personally served am i automatically required to go to court in AZ? Do I have the option to pay the fine after and avoid court? What are the ramifications of being personally served?

[TurcoLoco]

Originally Posted by kmn280

I was visiting pheonix in april (im from out of state) and just recieved a photo radar ticket in the mail. I have done all the research regarding recieving the ticket in the mail and advice about waiting to being personally served and am currently making a decision of what to do. I just wanted to know of the people who recieved tickets in the mail and decided to throw them out in order to be personally served how many actually did. How many were out of state?


Also being out of state and on the east coast, if i ignore the ticket in the mail and be personally served am i automatically required to go to court in AZ? Do I have the option to pay the fine after and avoid court? What are the ramifications of being personally served?

Since you post here and admitted receiving a photo radar ticket, that is considered as you being serve (new AZ law) so you have to pay it now!!

If you don't, the police can find you through your IP address and ISP and then you are in real trouble!!!

I am kidding of course.....or may be not.

Pay or Do not, it is up to you, if you read through, you will see a ton of posts in this thread alone by those who believe you are better off paying and otherwise...

Bottomline: your ticket, your call.

[pastogie]

my wife saw a flash on the 101 in Scottsdale as we were visiting family. I was driving a company truck from CA. Need to know if there is a way to find out if we are going to get a ticket. Problem is if they send the ticket to the company i work for in CA (registered to them) i will be more busted for driving it to Scottsdale than i will be for speeding. Can i circumvent them sending it to the company? Happened on Friday, today is Monday (6/23). Any help appreciated, im not sure where to look. with only my license plate number, one im trying to find out if it was me that got a ticket (probably doing close to 75 in 65) and two if there is a way i can pay for the ticket before they mail it. Any help appreciated

[mobiusaz]

Originally Posted by 101trap

I have researched the internet and saw lawyers, police and different people say the radar is illegal due to not being served in person.

Lack of service is not an "illegality"; it's a procedural defect, which can be corrected with proper service if they choose to do so.

[joninaz]

There are two companies who are contracted to run pretty much all of the photo enforcement cameras (fixed and vans) in AZ. These cameras snap thousands of pictures a day. Some are of red light runners, almost all of whom are bad, safety-wise. But they also set up vans in high volume areas where often a small stretch of street has a lower-than-normal speed limit so it's simple cash cow for the city. These companies get paid based on success and due to the volume, they pretty much only concentrate on those with whom they have a pretty good chance of securing money.

Thus if your tags are out of state, they might send you a ticket in the hopes you'll pay via the mail, but I'd be amazed if they actually served someone in person. It's costly, especially across sate lines, and there are a ton of jurisdictional issues.

These two companies also toss any tickets where they don't have a clear pic of the driver. They also toss, without trying, a lot of other tickets:

If your automobile is registered to a company, those also go right into the trash. Pretty much every lawyer in town knows this and has their cars registered to an LLC or Company, not to their person.

Same with rental cars, company cars, company delivery trucks, govt. vehicles, etc. A moving violation is a ticket between the govt. entity and the specific driver, not the owner of the vehicle.

Even if your mom or best friend is snapped doing 47 in a 35 in your car, and the picture is worthy of a magazine cover, you are not responsible for their ticket. You might get it in the mail, but what you do is send a copy of your DL and note that "it's not you." Yes there's a section of the ticket where you can name the real person in the pic, but that's actually a voluntary thing and made for suckers. The burden of proof resides with the ticket issuer, so only deny that it's you and not give them any more information.

If it does look like you, however, then you might be in trouble!

[mobiusaz]

Originally Posted by joninaz

If your automobile is registered to a company, those also go right into the trash.

Recently one of the partners in my firm received a photo radar ticket from the 101 in Scottsdale. The ticket came addressed to the firm. I don't know whether there is distinction in their database between mailing addresses and registration addresses, but I do know the ticket came and wasn't addressed to him personally.

[pastogie]

well, havent heard from the company i work for that they got a ticket, yet. Im keeping my fingers crossed that joninaz is right and they threw it in the trash w/out mailing it out. also since my wife saw the flash from the backseat and i did not see it all when i was driving i am hoping that i was turned. If the company does get it they will send to me based on the license plate. I can just pay it, if they do get it, w/a cashiers check and no response as to who was driving, correct? they just want the money, i would assume, and then they will not harass the company for the name, will they?

[joninaz]

Originally Posted by mobiusaz

Recently one of the partners in my firm received a photo radar ticket from the 101 in Scottsdale. The ticket came addressed to the firm. I don't know whether there is distinction in their database between mailing addresses and registration addresses, but I do know the ticket came and wasn't addressed to him personally.

They'll mail an initial ticket, just as they do to out-of-staters, in hopes that someone will pay out of a sense of responsibility or some other emotion. But if nobody responds, it's the photo radar company's duty to serve the person in order for the ticket to proceed to court. If the person is not personally served, the ticket simply dies. It's not like getting a ticket from a cop... you can't ignore those even if across state lines. They'll nail you cross border. But the photo radar companies don't have the same legal status as police. A cop serves you the ticket when he/she writes it up and hands it to you... there's no question who was driving or if you saw the ticket.

Again, it's a numbers game. Those cameras are snapping picks 24/7. The photo companies simply don't have the resources to serve people out of state, with a PO Box, or a company. For $40 (or whatever is their cut), they aren't going to hire a server to try and figure out which employee walking out of a building should be served.

They will do if you are a local resident, however. Some poor sap is driving around Tempe right now, trying to see who is home.

[kyle2k1]

Originally Posted by joninaz

They'll mail an initial ticket, just as they do to out-of-staters, in hopes that someone will pay out of a sense of responsibility or some other emotion. But if nobody responds, it's the photo radar company's duty to serve the person in order for the ticket to proceed to court. If the person is not personally served, the ticket simply dies. It's not like getting a ticket from a cop... you can't ignore those even if across state lines. They'll nail you cross border. But the photo radar companies don't have the same legal status as police. A cop serves you the ticket when he/she writes it up and hands it to you... there's no question who was driving or if you saw the ticket.

Again, it's a numbers game. Those cameras are snapping picks 24/7. The photo companies simply don't have the resources to serve people out of state, with a PO Box, or a company. For $40 (or whatever is their cut), they aren't going to hire a server to try and figure out which employee walking out of a building should be served.

They will do if you are a local resident, however. Some poor sap is driving around Tempe right now, trying to see who is home.

WRONG. Got a ticket, car was still registered to my old address when I lived with parents(happed shortly after I moved). Ignored the ticket. about a week before the 120 days, my father got served with my papers, back in ohio. I was actually speeding (78mph) so I did not try to fight it, did the DD school and done with it (actually learned a couple differences in driving laws between here and ohio).

I actually created my own plates after that block the photo radar (that actually work as opposed to my competition, An officer that worked scottsdale photo enforcement department on other forums I participate in actually verified that he has seen my plate in action and on eof the few that works). Legality wise, some say its legal, some say its illegal. A bill to try and make it illegal failed the house a couple weeks ago, and a new bill is trying to be passed but has not yet. Boils down to your tolerence level.

But even as someone that sells products against it and has monetary interest in them staying, I would rather see them go. I speed occasionally, but more on the rare side. When I got caught I was in the right lane, driving the slowest, trying to go with the flow of traffic instead of look at speedometer. Weather you think people should speed or are 100% against speeding, there shouldnt be a doubt that it needs to have human discretion. There is a reason why computers cant replace humans in every way.... They don't posses that discretion ability. I would never of been pulled over in that situation, I was clearly going the slowest, but the people passing me on the left probably didnt even get a ticket because they were blocked by me while passing cameras...... you get the point.

Every person I have ever met has complained about the speed cameras, and anyone online there is usually only about 1 person out of 30 other psoting that agrees with the cameras.
My question is, why are they still into effect if there is what seems to be for sure more then half the people in the state are against them( maybe some cities the peoples general outlooks arent and my finding are biased?). Isnt there steps to take to demand a repeal of a law or to make a law as long as X amount of people sign a petition? Wonder why noone has ever done this.... I don't have the time for it but there are plenty of people of people that have all the time in the world( which actually alot of the time synchronizes with the people that are the "just don't speed" crowd.... hello, cant you see through others perspective? We understand you have absolutly no hurry in your life because your retired/not working, but most people in the real world do )