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Unread 11-03-2008, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Originally Posted by dc1225 View Post
great day, its not that simple as most simpleton minds would like to think!
Don't speed - no ticket

Don't run Red Lights - no ticket

Don't speed through a school zone - no ticket

Obey the traffic laws (which you agree to do when you apply for, and obtain, your drivers license) - no ticket

Yes - it really is that simple
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Unread 11-03-2008, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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except when they malfunction, somone else is in your car or you are using necessary measures to adjust to a dangerous situation
And, if someone else is driving your vehicle when the radar "blinks" - the law allows you to send a copy of your drivers license, with your picture, and the ticket is dismissed.

There are also no "points" added to your record (which could hurt your insurance if they were) -

Don't speed - no ticket
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Unread 11-03-2008, 02:03 PM
 
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no it really isn't

I sat at an intersection and watched the cameras go off 4 times for no reason (which is nice and blinding experience)

on those intersections everyone drives very tentative which is fairly dangerous

these things are poorly designed, poorly monitored, take away discretion and infringe on the rights of individuals to properly contest accusations against them
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Unread 11-03-2008, 02:05 PM
 
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And, if someone else is driving your vehicle when the radar "blinks" - the law allows you to send a copy of your drivers license, with your picture, and the ticket is dismissed.

There are also no "points" added to your record (which could hurt your insurance if they were) -

Don't speed - no ticket
except for the well documentated times when you send in this documentation and they still put you down as a "non-responder", then you get to pay out of your butt to defend yourself

they slant the entire game (including the bribe of no points) to just get revenue in the door and close off avenues of defense
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Unread 11-03-2008, 02:06 PM
 
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Don't speed - no ticket
tell that to the thousands in scottsdale who got tickets when the machines malfunctioned - they were lucky though as the malfunction was caught

i've personally seen flashes go during rush hour crawls and wish there was some way to file that as reference when some poor sap gets a ticket they don't deserve
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Unread 11-03-2008, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Originally Posted by Greatday View Post
Don't speed - no ticket

Don't run Red Lights - no ticket

Don't speed through a school zone - no ticket

Obey the traffic laws (which you agree to do when you apply for, and obtain, your drivers license) - no ticket

Yes - it really is that simple
SILLY, Greatday . . . too much LOGIC and COMMON SENSE involved with you post.

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Unread 11-03-2008, 02:51 PM
Status: "Lighten up life's too short." (set 18 days ago)
 
Location: Out there somewhere...
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SILLY, Greatday . . . too much LOGIC and COMMON SENSE involved with you post.

! ! ! ! ! !
Ditto.

BTW points are added if clocked at 85mph and over.
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Unread 11-03-2008, 02:52 PM
 
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so no one has problems with a private company that directly benefits from the # of tickets issued having virtually full oversight on this thing?!
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Unread 11-03-2008, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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so no one has problems with a private company that directly benefits from the # of tickets issued having virtually full oversight on this thing?!
Absolutely not, Finger.

These systems are computer controlled and have a very fair "grace" allowance built in (a minimum of 5 MPH, I believe). The computers are actually "in charge" with little or no input required by the contract employee.

Speeding and Red Light Running are both extremely dangerous violations and need to be controlled and, hopefully, eliminated. I happen to live very near a major intersection with frequent accidents, some deadly, directly related to red light running. After the Red Light Cameras were installed about a year ago, the accident rate has dropped by more than 50%.

For all of you "Anti-Camera Drivers" . . . I sincerely hope you are never subjected to a major personal injury or worse accident caused by a "first person singular" speeding or red light running driver.

MY TWO CENTS WORTH
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Unread 11-03-2008, 05:53 PM
 
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please back up that 50% claim

and even if backed up do you have stats on rear end accidents, etc? - how much can be attributed to tougher drunk driving laws and other patrolling

the computers are programmed by for profit organizations that gain the bulk of the money from each ticket - computers don't program themselves and we do not live in a vacuum
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