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11-03-2008, 02:58 PM
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Taipan
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Location: Las Vegas, NV and NW of Florence Junction, AZ
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Originally Posted by dc1225
great day, its not that simple as most simpleton minds would like to think!
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Don't speed - no ticket
Don't run Red Lights - no ticket
Don't speed through a school zone - no ticket
Obey the traffic laws (which you agree to do when you apply for, and obtain, your drivers license) - no ticket
Yes - it really is that simple
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11-03-2008, 03:02 PM
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Taipan
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Originally Posted by Finger Laker
except when they malfunction, somone else is in your car or you are using necessary measures to adjust to a dangerous situation
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And, if someone else is driving your vehicle when the radar "blinks" - the law allows you to send a copy of your drivers license, with your picture, and the ticket is dismissed.
There are also no "points" added to your record (which could hurt your insurance if they were) -
Don't speed - no ticket
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11-03-2008, 03:03 PM
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no it really isn't
I sat at an intersection and watched the cameras go off 4 times for no reason (which is nice and blinding experience)
on those intersections everyone drives very tentative which is fairly dangerous
these things are poorly designed, poorly monitored, take away discretion and infringe on the rights of individuals to properly contest accusations against them
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11-03-2008, 03:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatday
And, if someone else is driving your vehicle when the radar "blinks" - the law allows you to send a copy of your drivers license, with your picture, and the ticket is dismissed.
There are also no "points" added to your record (which could hurt your insurance if they were) -
Don't speed - no ticket
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except for the well documentated times when you send in this documentation and they still put you down as a "non-responder", then you get to pay out of your butt to defend yourself
they slant the entire game (including the bribe of no points) to just get revenue in the door and close off avenues of defense
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11-03-2008, 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatday
Don't speed - no ticket
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tell that to the thousands in scottsdale who got tickets when the machines malfunctioned - they were lucky though as the malfunction was caught
i've personally seen flashes go during rush hour crawls and wish there was some way to file that as reference when some poor sap gets a ticket they don't deserve
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11-03-2008, 03:32 PM
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11-03-2008, 03:51 PM
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Helping others help themselves...
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Ditto.
BTW points are added if clocked at 85mph and over.
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11-03-2008, 03:52 PM
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so no one has problems with a private company that directly benefits from the # of tickets issued having virtually full oversight on this thing?!
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11-03-2008, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Finger Laker
so no one has problems with a private company that directly benefits from the # of tickets issued having virtually full oversight on this thing?!
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Absolutely not, Finger.
These systems are computer controlled and have a very fair "grace" allowance built in (a minimum of 5 MPH, I believe). The computers are actually "in charge" with little or no input required by the contract employee.
Speeding and Red Light Running are both extremely dangerous violations and need to be controlled and, hopefully, eliminated. I happen to live very near a major intersection with frequent accidents, some deadly, directly related to red light running. After the Red Light Cameras were installed about a year ago, the accident rate has dropped by more than 50%.
For all of you "Anti-Camera Drivers" . . . I sincerely hope you are never subjected to a major personal injury or worse accident caused by a "first person singular" speeding or red light running driver.
MY TWO CENTS WORTH
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11-03-2008, 06:53 PM
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please back up that 50% claim
and even if backed up do you have stats on rear end accidents, etc? - how much can be attributed to tougher drunk driving laws and other patrolling
the computers are programmed by for profit organizations that gain the bulk of the money from each ticket - computers don't program themselves and we do not live in a vacuum
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