Photo Radar Advice (Phoenix, Scottsdale: tickets, best, area)

[dc1225]

Originally Posted by Lorenzo9

why don't you all drive with masks on Then they can't take your picture.

cuz my face is too pretty not to be pictured...my face is like supermodel's...i want them to take as many pictures of my pretty face because they're so ugly they don't know what is like to have pretty face like mine. I just don't want the ticket to be mailed afterwards.

[nebulous1]

Originally Posted by R_Cowgirl

I don't get it. I'm not crazy about all those cameras, but changing the margin to 11 miles per hour over does help. That way we have a little variety on the road, which helps with lane changes and such. But being on the highway isn't a right, it's a privilege you pay for with taxes on your license plates and other taxes that pay for the roads, the maintenance, the lighting, and the law enforcement.

A Bill just was just enacted that you can't obscure the word "Arizona" from the top of the plates. A law was narrowly defeated in June '08 that addressed the covering of license plates with plastic film and other things to trick the cameras. Ariz. Senate cracks down on license plate covers | Arizona Legislature | eastvalleytribune.com With the passing of the most recent bill, the one about plastic covers is bound to come back up.

They want to see your license plate. That's why they issue them. It's your permission to be on the public roadway. It also helps in cases of hit and run, accidents, stolen vehicles, amber alerts. So you're happy about getting that plastic cover; then one day you walk out of the store and your car has gone missing from the parking lot. You report it to the cops. They start looking for it. But half your license plate is obscured, so it makes it all the way to the chop shop at the border because people can't see the whole plate.... and you didn't want to get a speeding ticket.

Easiest way to not get caught in the cameras is to just drive at 60 mph. You are safe if the speed limit is 55, and not going so slow to upset other drivers if the limit is 65. Phoenix has some of the most dangerous intersections and roads in the US. Three of our intersections make it in the top 11 every year: 19th ave and Northern, 7th Street and Bell, and Greenway and 32nd St. Red light running is a sport here, I guess.

Makes sense to pilot that 4,000 pound piece of metal with some caution on roads full of people with no common sense. So you get to your destination ten minutes later. Isn't your life worth a ten minute wait? What's the rush? I'm just sayin...

I totally agree. Some think they have the driving prowess of Mario Andretti, but you see them swerve and such.
The total disregard they have for others' lives...and they don't even think about what could happen to themselves.
It is sheer arrogance.

[nebulous1]

Originally Posted by Greatday

You know - everyone has the opportunity to stop those gosh dern cameras from flashing: SLOW DOWN!

If the speed limit is 65, you don't need to be going 76 or higher.
(they flash at 11 mph over)

If the speed limit is 55, you don't need to be going 66.

There are signs "warning" of "photo enforcement". Can't you guys read?????

Slow down - no flashes - no revenue

Simple equation

Simple solution

I agree. There are signs, sometimes, 2 signs warning of the up coming cameras. People are blaming these cameras, but in reality, they don't want to have to slow down.
It's like a temper tantrum of sorts, that they don't want to do the safe thing.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by nebulous1

I agree. There are signs, sometimes, 2 signs warning of the up coming cameras. People are blaming these cameras, but in reality, they don't want to have to slow down.
It's like a temper tantrum of sorts, that they don't want to do the safe thing.

On the contrary! The slowpokes seem to be the ones having the temper tantrums ... especially the camera advocates who are so adamant about nabbing all those horrible speeders. They claim that anybody who speeds by them is a criminal/lawbreaker. However, those people who chug along in the left lane & hold up the flow of traffic are the true lawbreakers because they aren't abiding by Arizona's traffic law of keeping to the right if moving slower than the flow. That law is absolute ... while most speed limits are not.

Also, it's not necessarily "safe" to drive slow. I've posted many times in this forum that Phoenicians generally drive faster than people in other parts of the country for valid reasons: our clear, dry weather, and our clear, wide roadways. I think it's true that part of the conflict arises due to the large quantity of transplants who are here from Minnesota, Michigan, and other states with inclement weather & bad road conditions. They are used to driving slower as a result ... but they need to learn to adapt to our ways if they are going to live here!

[dc1225]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

On the contrary! The slowpokes seem to be the ones having the temper tantrums ... especially the camera advocates who are so adamant about nabbing all those horrible speeders. They claim that anybody who speeds by them is a criminal/lawbreaker. However, those people who chug along in the left lane & hold up the flow of traffic are the true lawbreakers because they aren't abiding by Arizona's traffic law of keeping to the right if moving slower than the flow. That law is absolute ... while most speed limits are not.

Also, it's not necessarily "safe" to drive slow. I've posted many times in this forum that Phoenicians generally drive faster than people in other parts of the country for valid reasons: our clear, dry weather, and our clear, wide roadways. I think it's true that part of the conflict arises due to the large quantity of transplants who are here from Minnesota, Michigan, and other states with inclement weather & bad road conditions. They are used to driving slower as a result ... but they need to learn to adapt to our ways if they are going to live here!

and these people will be first to complain when the gov. starts to install cameras in their neighborhood for the safety of their "neighborhood". yeah ok, you just wait...they start at the highways but where will it lead and end? As long as there is money to be made, gov will install a camera in your arse, they don't care and these morons sit around bemoaning people who complain about installing cameras.

[nebulous1]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

On the contrary! The slowpokes seem to be the ones having the temper tantrums ... especially the camera advocates who are so adamant about nabbing all those horrible speeders. They claim that anybody who speeds by them is a criminal/lawbreaker. However, those people who chug along in the left lane & hold up the flow of traffic are the true lawbreakers because they aren't abiding by Arizona's traffic law of keeping to the right if moving slower than the flow. That law is absolute ... while most speed limits are not.

Also, it's not necessarily "safe" to drive slow. I've posted many times in this forum that Phoenicians generally drive faster than people in other parts of the country for valid reasons: our clear, dry weather, and our clear, wide roadways. I think it's true that part of the conflict arises due to the large quantity of transplants who are here from Minnesota, Michigan, and other states with inclement weather & bad road conditions. They are used to driving slower as a result ... but they need to learn to adapt to our ways if they are going to live here!

You really think that???
How do you know how people drive in those states? Have you lived in them? Midwesterners get speeding tickets too.
A lot of them drive too fast on ice and snow.

And, as you say, there is a large quantity of transplants here, so who is doing all the fast driving here?

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by dc1225

and these people will be first to complain when the gov. starts to install cameras in their neighborhood for the safety of their "neighborhood". yeah ok, you just wait...they start at the highways but where will it lead and end? As long as there is money to be made, gov will install a camera in your arse, they don't care and these morons sit around bemoaning people who complain about installing cameras.

I'd love to see cameras in school zones and in residential areas including my own - daylight hours anyway otherwise the flash would drive whoever lived near them nuts. I'd prefer that over freeway cams. I also would favor neighborhood "spy cams" to keep an eye on the area and GPS transmitter implants in the skulls of all teenage boys.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by nebulous1

You really think that???
How do you know how people drive in those states? Have you lived in them? Midwesterners get speeding tickets too.
A lot of them drive too fast on ice and snow.

And, as you say, there is a large quantity of transplants here, so who is doing all the fast driving here?

So, I must ask (again): why is there such a need for photo radar cameras, and for everybody to drive so slowly here? If a lot of Midwesterners drive too fast in the inclement conditions, why should Arizonans drive slow when it's clear & dry most of the time? It's really quite logical when you think of it. We don't have the ice, snow, sleet, fog, etc. that many places east of us do. Even when it rains here, it's usually short lived, and the roads are still in relatively good condition ... so fast driving (if attentive & unimpaired) is actually quite safe in this environment.

I think it's a mixed bag of people who do the fast driving. However, I can only relate to my personal experiences. I have been driving for well over 25 years in a relatively fast mannner (but not excessively fast). In that time, I have never been involved in an accident because of my attentiveness. In fact, there were several times that I prevented accidents from happening ... which would have been the fault of the slowpokes in front of me or beside me who weren't paying attention! Slow doesn't mean safer ... not in my experience anyway.

[dc1225]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

I'd love to see cameras in school zones and in residential areas including my own - daylight hours anyway otherwise the flash would drive whoever lived near them nuts. I'd prefer that over freeway cams. I also would favor neighborhood "spy cams" to keep an eye on the area and GPS transmitter implants in the skulls of all teenage boys.

Ponderosa, I heard that you already spy on lil boys via hidden cameras anyways.

[dc1225]

[quote=Valley Native;7551024]So, I must ask (again): why is there such a need for photo radar cameras, and for everybody to drive so slowly here? quote]

Unless you have 5 million mike tysons and dmx's living there, then no, there absolutely is not a reason.