Two large employers skip Phoenix citing reputation and education (Mesa: real estate, 2014)

[RCR]

I think it goes back even farther to the days of the MLK holiday fiasco back in the mid-90's.

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

A few days ago, a court upheld Phoenix' city ordnance that pets sold in pet stores had to be from shelters and not puppy mills. The city got a lot of good press for that, but everything I saw had a statement to the effect of "finally something positive out of Arizona". We have been headed the wrong way in public opinion since about 2008 when the recession began.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by yukon

The Mayo decision to locate in Phoenix most likely took into consideration nearby cities/states. I'm in ABQ. I know many people here and elsewhere in NM who use the existing Mayo facilities for treatment. Our medical system is way understaffed for the population it serves, and driving or flying to Phoenix for treatment is better than being diagnosed with a serious disease and waiting 3+ months to see a specialist. Some go up to Denver, but Phoenix has more choices. I also have friends in SW Texas who go up to the AZ Mayo clinic for treatments. Does San Diego/Las Vegas have similar quality clinics? If not, then the existing Mayo is probably treating patients from there as well A new Mayo clinic will add to those choices.

I know that Las Vegas doesn't have a Pediatric Bone Marrow Transplant clinic, which seems crazy for a population of 2 million, so most of their patients are sent down to Tucson and Diamond Children's Hospital and their BMT clinic. Peds BMT patients from Albuquerque used to be sent to Tucson as well, but now most go to Denver to get their transplants, I think Tucson lost the contract or something like that.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

Well-written.

Arizona has a reputation of being ultraconservative but that's mostly because of the knuckleheads in the state legislature and MCSO.

The majority of citizens are not that extreme in their views, most everyone I know is somewhere in the political center.

Unfortunately because of the large apathetic population who don't vote we get these right-wing clowns representing us who cut education funding to where we rank near the bottom in the entire nation.

If the majority of people dislike Arpaio and are disgusted with the way education is slahsed, they need to vote their conscience and kick these troglodytes out of office.

If we don't get rid of these clowns we're only hurting ourselves and more companies will not want to move here.

So you want to vote in left-wing clowns who will tax the ever living pi$$ out of businesses and force them to relocate elsewhere? So many major businesses are leaving the left-run states (ie Chicago, NYC, LA, etc) and going elsewhere because its cheaper. In fact, one of my favorite companies is leaving lefty WA because theyre tired of the governor forcing taxes and legislation on them. Guess where theyre moving?

Mt. Baker Vapor Relocation: From Washington to Arizona

An even better link. Scroll down to why they chose Mesa (see "why Mesa?" in the article).
http://blog.mtbakervapor.com/dear-su...na-relocation/

[stevek64]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

So you want to vote in left-wing clowns who will tax the ever living pi$$ out of businesses and force them to relocate elsewhere? So many major businesses are leaving the left-run states (ie Chicago, NYC, LA, etc) and going elsewhere because its cheaper. In fact, one of my favorite companies is leaving lefty WA because theyre tired of the governor forcing taxes and legislation on them. Guess where theyre moving?

Mt. Baker Vapor Relocation: From Washington to Arizona

And here I thought I was the only one who thought it was a bit odd that people who move to escape city/state A for many reasons they find negative, move to city/state B as a result, and upon arriving or some time after, wish that city/state B could could for the most part equal their former city/state A in many aspects. And when/if said transformation occurs/could only occur, all will be right in that city/state.

Short memories? Rose colored glasses on too tight of the past? Control freaks? Mentally short? It's got me baffled.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

So you want to vote in left-wing clowns who will tax the ever living pi$$ out of businesses and force them to relocate elsewhere? So many major businesses are leaving the left-run states (ie Chicago, NYC, LA, etc) and going elsewhere because its cheaper. In fact, one of my favorite companies is leaving lefty WA because theyre tired of the governor forcing taxes and legislation on them. Guess where theyre moving?

Mt. Baker Vapor Relocation: From Washington to Arizona

An even better link. Scroll down to why they chose Mesa (see "why Mesa?" in the article).
Dear Summit: Questions About the Arizona Relocation

While I'm glad we are attracting E Cig manufacturers and stores, the topic of the articles in the original post have to do with jobs that would pay 2x the median of the Phoenix area's wages. There is more to attracting business than taxes which the article is pointing out.

NYC, SF are booming and California added 15,000 jobs last year. In fact, Orange County is leading the nation in Job Growth.

This isn't to say that Phoenix isn't doing well, nobody has claimed that at all. It's to point out that we have issues that are so omnipresent and are so ignored that they are negatively impacting us.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by stevek64

And here I thought I was the only one who thought it was a bit odd that people who move to escape city/state A for many reasons they find negative, move to city/state B as a result, and upon arriving or some time after, wish that city/state B could could for the most part equal their former city/state A in many aspects. And when/if said transformation occurs/could only occur, all will be right in that city/state.

Short memories? Rose colored glasses on too tight of the past? Control freaks? Mentally short? It's got me baffled.

Im with you 100%. You hear it all the time: "I hated IL/CA/WA/OR/NY/ETC/ETC/ETC because it was overtaxed, bad for big business, too expensive and corrupt, so I moved to Arizona to escape that, but Im going to vote in the same type of idiot who brought that crap upon us in the first place!"



Left-wing politics are a cancer upon this great nation of ours. Tax, tax, tax, tax, legislate, enforce, tax, tax, and more tax, and then they wonder why businesses up and move elsewhere! Then the people that vote in that plague leave those very states for the same reason, then move to right-leaning states, vote in their dumbo politicians who immediately set to work on taxing everything and everyone to oblivion. Once that place has been consumed, they move on to another place. Like a cancer, I tell you.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

While I'm glad we are attracting E Cig manufacturers and stores, the topic of the articles in the original post have to do with jobs that would pay 2x the median of the Phoenix area's wages. There is more to attracting business than taxes which the article is pointing out.

NYC, SF are booming and California added 15,000 jobs last year. In fact, Orange County is leading the nation in Job Growth.

This isn't to say that Phoenix isn't doing well, nobody has claimed that at all. It's to point out that we have issues that are so omnipresent and are so ignored that they are negatively impacting us.

I would agree somewhat.

Phoenix is doing ok, considering. But, the businesses that choose not to move here, based on stereotypes, are losing out. Luckily for us, PHX will continue to attract new business. While it might not be the type of job you think is better, its still jobs. Many places cant say the same. So, I say let those guys take their business to some other state, its their loss! If they didnt move here because they think a few employees might have a hard time being racially profiled (hahaha), then theyre just ignorant. Do they think roving bands of MCSO roam the streets in riot gear, picking out and arresting anyone thats not white? Sure sounds like it. Let em be stupid!

[JTW2013]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Im with you 100%. You hear it all the time: "I hated IL/CA/WA/OR/NY/ETC/ETC/ETC because it was overtaxed, bad for big business, too expensive and corrupt, so I moved to Arizona to escape that, but Im going to vote in the same type of idiot who brought that crap upon us in the first place!"



Left-wing politics are a cancer upon this great nation of ours. Tax, tax, tax, tax, legislate, enforce, tax, tax, and more tax, and then they wonder why businesses up and move elsewhere! Then the people that vote in that plague leave those very states for the same reason, then move to right-leaning states, vote in their dumbo politicians who immediately set to work on taxing everything and everyone to oblivion. Once that place has been consumed, they move on to another place. Like a cancer, I tell you.

The drought is often discussed on this forum and we are always told that AZ has a good water management program so we do not have to worry. That water management program (or whatever it's called - I'm no expert on this) was driven by government. I've also read that Phoenix's growth was somewhat engineered by the state and local governments here. So that's why I'm frustrated with the current leaders of this state. The local and state governments can play a role in the economy without turning AZ into IL or NY. The past success demonstrates this, IMHO.

I'll take country club, Goldwater type Republicans any day over the "burn it to the ground" or sell off our assets to the lowest bidder/cronies. Moderation is always a good thing, especially in politics.

[stevek64]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

I would agree somewhat.

Phoenix is doing ok, considering. But, the businesses that choose not to move here, based on stereotypes, are losing out. Luckily for us, PHX will continue to attract new business. While it might not be the type of job you think is better, its still jobs. Many places cant say the same. So, I say let those guys take their business to some other state, its their loss! If they didnt move here because they think a few employees might have a hard time being racially profiled (hahaha), then theyre just ignorant. Do they think roving bands of MCSO roam the streets in riot gear, picking out and arresting anyone thats not white? Sure sounds like it. Let em be stupid!

I agree. And to think there are people outside the valley/AZ who truly think the valley/AZ is really like this? Begs the question.....who is really the ignorant here and what does that say about the state they live in,and the quality of their education system, educating people to not be critical/objective thinking individuals having such false/ignorant beliefs and to take at face value what's reported in the media, much of which has it's own underlying agenda/bias? And more than likely never having spent anytime here. I was brought differently to not to jump to conclusions about any place/group of people and to especially not to take at face value what the media says these days that much of the herd still seems to follow. We can't fix/control the ignorant. Nor should we try. Let 'em be as you say.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by JTW2013

The drought is often discussed on this forum and we are always told that AZ has a good water management program so we do not have to worry. That water management program (or whatever it's called - I'm no expert on this) was driven by government. I've also read that Phoenix's growth was somewhat engineered by the state and local governments here. So that's why I'm frustrated with the current leaders of this state. The local and state governments can play a role in the economy without turning AZ into IL or NY. The past success demonstrates this, IMHO.

I'll take country club, Goldwater type Republicans any day over the "burn it to the ground" or sell off our assets to the lowest bidder/cronies. Moderation is always a good thing, especially in politics.

Another piece of this is that CAP is a federally subsidized product for Arizona that has returned 1 Trillion in Economic Development for the State. That's right, Federal Taxes are almost exclusively responsible for this existence in the first place. People in Connecticut are insuring that our water is cheap enough that we can afford it.

Just consider that.


The GWA is a decent piece of legislation, what it does is require developers to purchase a large stake in CAP or other water sources that are usually pumped into the ground to help restore aquifer while limiting who and what can draw the groundwater in the first place. Tucson also has one of the largest international water treatment plants in Rio Rico that is large enough to both maintain a riparian habitat and pump into the ground the recycled water. For what we have to work with we do a pretty decent job maintaining our resources. Cuts to CAP might be a huge economic risk to consider though.