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No Latino that I know would ever feel comfortable living next to the person with a Trump sign in their front yard. Some members of my family would take it as a personal insult and they are all natural born US citizens.
Why would they take it as an insult? Are they in favor of people breaking the law?
People have the right to live where they please. If a liberal wants to be in Phoenix than so be it, saying you can't live here because you're too left-wing is incredibly un-American, and vice versa is also un-American.
I have been living in Arizona my whole life. I have more of a right to Arizona than you do in this account. If I don't want to see my state stay GOP *and* I want to live in the same city as my family I have every right to. Maybe you should stay where you were and fought against the transplants instead of being a transplant here and keeping Arizona in its regressive state. Why should I be forced to leave where I have been living for the past couple decades and my family since the Great Depression because you think you have more of a "right" to an area because you like the current dominant regressive politics of the area? States are dynamic and change over time, we don't need to live in a gridlock because one state *should* be red and the other blue. In fact gridlocks like that without an influx of new thinking and ideas is what ruins this country.
Arizona will turn blue in due time. Probably sooner than later as Millennials are currently 1 out of every 4 Americans. People are moving away from religion and Arizona has been irreligious as a whole. Soon people are no longer going to want the old white man fundamentalist Christian mindset that the GOP has adopted as the law of the land in their eyes. Maybe if you didn't want this issue you should've moved to Mississippi where the GOP has practically targeted their favorite demographic along with the rest of the conservative South. You should know that Arizona has a large amount of Hispanics, and with Trump being where he is more and more Hispanics will not want to vote GOP. In fact I believe 2010-present was the first generation across the whole nation that is minority-majority. Times are changing...
Anywho, OP, I'm sure you know that both Sun Cities are age-restricted. The Sun Cities don't appeal to me but then again I'm not nearly close to that age. However it is in a good area, as I used to live right next to it and it's close to a lot of good recreational areas and it is safe. It's popular for a reason.
As far as climate and sustainability goes, a growing UHI will play an impact on temperatures here. If you have been here in the summer time I'm sure you have tried cooking eggs on the sidewalk. That's how hot the ground gets... You can also bake cookies on your car's dash. This will increase with more development that is needed for a growing city. I did a test actually and found that DT Phoenix was usually a couple degrees hotter or so in the summer than an exurb, like Surprise. This is solely due to the UHI. With more cars, more flights, more congestion, more asphalt, it will increase but not drastically. However with the heat increase it will mostly affect precipitation which is much more important.
On the topic of water sustainability, our biggest issue is with the CAP. California has been f*cking up bad on their water policy which is ruining it for the rest of us in the lower basin (Nevada and Arizona). California has been threatened by the Department of the Interior many times to get their act together but I don't know if California will be able to. So our water future will depend on interstates' rights to the Colorado River. We need a revision which will have to be done on the federal level and can take an awful long time.
Our water policy, if a dire shortage ever happens, will favor giving water to the inner suburbs over the exurbs. These suburbs are Phoenix, Glendale, Scottsdale, and Tempe. Now I encourage you to look at the city boundaries of these, all of them except Tempe are quite large. Glendale goes from Arrowhead Ranch area (fairly close to Sun City Grand, a few miles or so away) down to DT Glendale all the way past Luke to the White Tanks making a backwards L. Phoenix also heavily extends into West Valley all the way to the 101 I believe. If you are looking at an investment here and water is important I suggest one of these four cities in the metro. I should also note that out of the whole state the Phoenix metro is in the best position for a dire shortage, more so than Yuma, Tucson, Flagstaff, or anywhere else.
Nobody cares if you lived in AZ your whole life, that's called tribalism. I lived in CO since the dawn of time and I don't have more rights than non-natives of the state, same with yourself. If AZ stays GOP for 50 years straight, so be it, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when a state HAS to fundamentally change its policies to mimic another state on either east/west coast to make it worse for most people, when it can adopt its own ways for the better.
I didn't want to stay in CO because I was tired of the same environment after living in the same area for 26 years I grew up at. The big government liberal policies that transplants are bringing in from more expensive left wing states make it more difficult to live self reliant (i.e cost of living, fiscal policies, taxes, fees, regulations). Secondly, fighting against transplants is a losing battle itself, when you have hoards of them migrating to the state with their politics, it's similar to an contagious disease. They have failure ideas and are recipes for disasters.
I wish people would quit assuming just because somebody is registered R, it automatically make them a fundamental Christian. I'm a Millennial myself (registered Independent) not relgious at all, but I believe most of my generation is a joke and feels like they're entitled to a lot of stuff such as free health care, college education, because they're special compared to other generations.
Nobody cares if you lived in AZ your whole life, that's called tribalism. I lived in CO since the dawn of time and I don't have more rights than non-natives of the state, same with yourself. If AZ stays GOP for 50 years straight, so be it, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when a state HAS to fundamentally change its policies to mimic another state on either east/west coast to make it worse for most people, when it can adopt its own ways for the better.
I didn't want to stay in CO because I was tired of the same environment after living in the same area for 26 years I grew up at. The big government liberal policies that transplants are bringing in from more expensive left wing states make it more difficult to live self reliant (i.e cost of living, fiscal policies, taxes, fees, regulations). Secondly, fighting against transplants is a losing battle itself, when you have hoards of them migrating to the state with their politics, it's similar to an contagious disease. They have failure ideas and are recipes for disasters.
I wish people would quit assuming just because somebody is registered R, it automatically make them a fundamental Christian. I'm a Millennial myself (registered Independent) not relgious at all, but I believe most of my generation is a joke and feels like they're entitled to a lot of stuff such as free health care, college education, because they're special compared to other generations.
Your comment implied that you disliked how transplants were changing where you used to live so I made a comment replying that I disliked how transplants moved here on purpose to keep things the way they were in this regard (Arizona is changing in a lot of other ways). I agree that no one has more rights over anyone else, which is what I stated in my first paragraph. My next paragraph was only mimicking your connotation of "oh I lived in Colorado longer, I have more invested in it than transplants politically" which I don't agree with. People have equal rights and choices and they shouldn't have to live somewhere because they don't agree with the political inclinations already set in an area. Things are dynamic.
I know many Republicans are not religious, my whole family is like that (my dad claims ALL churches are filled with pedophiles, not very religious behavior) but the GOP has geared it's platform to fundamental Christianity. I meant that the GOP has a targeted demographic for the most part (like Dems have targeted minorities and women, and so on) and that has been in the South traditionally which is why I said if you don't want to see things changing past Republican then I thought the South would have been a safe bet for that. Arizona has seen a ton of influx, generally conservative Californians and Midwesterners but I see this changing with Scottsdale and Tempe gaining more reputation. I do believe Arizona will change, when I'm not too sure, but probably in our lifetimes since we are in the same generation.
Politics aside, I think the retirement communities of all types may be in for a surprise.
I'm 59, old enough for most of the senior/adult/55+/retirement/whatever communities. But do I want to move to any? No. I don't want to play bingo in the clubhouse. I don't want casino trips. I don't want to play pentanque or throw horseshoes. I don't want movie night in the atrium where the movies selected are moralistic rather than entertaining. This is what I see every time I visit my mom at her independent living facility, and talk to friends whose parents are in similar places.
What I want is outdoor Tai Chi community sessions. Water aerobics in the community pool. Group outings by bus with wine to Broadway and off-Broadway plays and musicals, and other cultural events. Community outings to the various sporting events would be a blast too. A block party for Halloween would be neat, or a community BBQ.
I have yet to see any 55+ community aiming their events at my age group.
I don't expect it to change any time soon, either.
Good thing I like living in Millennial oriented communities.
FYI: Independent living is a tiny percentage of people residing in the Sun Cities. The majority of residents are doing what you claim you want to do and more. Sun cities are very active retirement communities.
I am visiting my older relatives in Sun City West. They are wonderful, warm, generous people who've lived lives of honest hard work and loving values. But--let's face it: they listen to Fox News all day and aren't very well-informed. They believe America is in serious decline and that liberals are going to ruin it with gay marriage, "foreigners" and iphones.
Over time, of course, younger people will replace the people who now live in Sun City West, and they will indeed bring a new outlook. I am wondering how to predict what kind of changes are in store. Sun City West is an amazing place with great potential, and homes are not expensive. I am thinking of buying a house there, and would like to hear what people think about the following:
1. Will new residents want to live more sustainably? There are a few solar panels on rooftops, but in general Sun City residents don't feel the same way younger people do about the need to manage water and power wisely.
2. Will Arizona gradually transition from being a red state to a blue state, the way Colorado has? It seems certain to me that the kind of people who have moved into Colorado over the past 20 years will eventually want retirement living at a place like Sun City West.
3. Is the Southwest viable at all? Does the lack of water combined with the huge inflow of population mean states like Arizona, Colorado, Nevada and Southern California are on a collision course with nature? Will climate change bring summers so hot the Phoenix area will not be habitable at all?
I could easily be wrong: there may be enough young people with right-wing values to replace the older people who grew up in the 1950's, the air conditioners may continue to run on oil and coal, and Sun City West may remain exactly as it is now.
What do you think?
Arizona has absolutely no shortage of water. Its political leanings will not change, since most emigrants are from conservative areas like Texas, Utah, Idaho, southern California, the Midwest, and Florida. Power in central Arizona is from the Palo Verde nuke plant.
That said, Tucson and Flagstaff are Democrat, as are Tempe, Downtown Scottsdale, and central Phoenix...
But these areas have no influence on Arizona changing from red to blue. Its mathematically impossible.
It would be the same as saying that because Austin is liberal, then someday Texas will vote blue.
California is also a red state. Only a few counties on the coast barely swing the state to a blue state. This is only a recent phenomenon since the state went for Reagan and Davis.
Scottsdale, downtown, is liberal and very trendy.
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I just recently moved out of Colorado to Arizona, it became too left wing for me and the cost of living rose too high. Now we got another person wanting to transform another red state? Why not assimilate instead of making it like your former area?
Agree !
If you want more liberals around, try the places mentioned in my post above.
Where I live, in far north Phoenix, is too conservative.
I'd rather live in downtown Scottsdale.
That said, I vote Republican.
I just prefer diversity so prefer to live around democrats.
Easier said than done, very expensive in downtown Scottsdale.
More people of a centrist or liberal persuasion are moving into the suburbs due to rising rents.
They don't want to. Its purely for economic reasons.
sCW will change, too, as will Peoria, Buckeye, etc.
Very conservative in this area up north, and hardly any streetlights, nobody out at night.
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Why not assimilate instead of making it like your former area?
