"Lack of Culture/Things to DO" in Phoenix?? Huh?? (Mesa: condo, employment)

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by abmiku

That's why I used the term "used to have"...I don't know...What part is not true that I stated...that all my friends hate it here?

The untrue statement is that "everyone hates it here." I can think of myself and many others who refute that statement. Since I don't know your circle of friends, I defer to your assessment of how they feel, but that's a more limited universe than "everyone." I might suggest, though, that you look for friends with a more positive attitude. As for the markets in Buffalo, I would guess that many are gone -- relics of another era, as nice as they were. Sadly, that's a nationwide phenomenon.

[Sunvixen]

Originally Posted by silverbear

VP,


Hedonistic City -- I think that award would go to either Las Vegas or pre-Katrina New Orleans. Unless you can show me stats that show a large net inflow of federal assistance to Arizona above and beyond other states, I'm going to be skeptical of the "takes more than it gives" argument. I can think of many Phoenix-based companies that sell goods and services worldwide. Likewise, I can think of numerous companies based elsewhere but with significant operations here. Ultimately, Phoenix's image is not tied to one industry, but that's probably a good thing.
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Well, take it from Detroit, that is a VERY GOOD THING!!

[Garson]

Abmiko:

If all of your friends hate it here? - maybe you need to find better friends? My friends and I all love it here. Sure there are some things we don't love but overall it is a great place to live. You may be shocked to find that Buffalo has changed a lot in the 18 years or so since you lived there.
People that say there is nothing to do in the valley are just using that as an excuse - there is plenty to do if you want to get off your butt and actually do something! I hear people say things like that and then they have never been to any of the area museums, never been to any of the art festivals, never been to Sedona or the Grand Canyon, never been to a play, never been to...well anywhere. Some people like to live within a few miles of their home and never leave that area.

[Greatday]

[quote=miamiman;3135037]However, if you like museums, the Valley is lacking, [/quote}
Oh, please - its not lacking.

Heard, Natuaral History museum, Phoenix Art Museum, The AZ science center, Tempe Center for the Arts, Mesa Center for the Arts etc.

Originally Posted by miamiman

if you like cultural events that aren't tied to Hispanics and Native Americans, the Valley is lacking.

Ah? This is Arizona. You want more Russian cultural events perhaps.

That said, there are Greek cultural events, German cultural events, Irish cultural events and more

Originally Posted by miamiman

I find it hard to believe that you moved from New York to Phoenix, and that there is enough entertainment here to please you. If you only go out every couple of weeks, then I can see where you're coming from. However, for younger people who might want to go out several times a week to different events, they would likely have trouble finding stuff to do.

If you are having trouble finding "stuff to do" then, you are not looking very hard.

Regardless if you are 19 or 90 - or anywhere in between - there is always "stuff to do" in the valley. Be it Broadway shows, Concerts, Symphonies, Art Walks, Festivals, Sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey - Professional and College), hiking, boating, skiing - you name it and I'd bet its available.

[abmiku]

Originally Posted by Garson

Abmiko:

If all of your friends hate it here? - maybe you need to find better friends? My friends and I all love it here. Sure there are some things we don't love but overall it is a great place to live. You may be shocked to find that Buffalo has changed a lot in the 18 years or so since you lived there.
People that say there is nothing to do in the valley are just using that as an excuse - there is plenty to do if you want to get off your butt and actually do something! I hear people say things like that and then they have never been to any of the area museums, never been to any of the art festivals, never been to Sedona or the Grand Canyon, never been to a play, never been to...well anywhere. Some people like to live within a few miles of their home and never leave that area.

All I'm saying is there's better places to live...I lived in Sedona for 6 years Tucson for one year, Flagstaff for 2 years, Mesa for Nine years and I just moved to Laveen. I've been camping and fishing at Powell, been to Havasu, Yuma, Bisbee, Coolidge, San Carlos, Thatcher, Florence, Payson, Prescott, Tonto Village, Pinetop...You get the picture...The best things to do in Phoenix is leave and go somewhere else. You can't say that going to the Grand Canyon is something to do in Phoenix? I've been everywhere in AZ, trying to get out of Phoenix...So the 2 things you list to do in Phoenix is Go to area museams and art festivals...okay, what about the other 360 days of Inferno like heat.. While things may have changed, back in NY, Things have changed in Phoenix...and not for the better.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by silverbear

Agreed. Newly built neighborhoods just seem too raw and too unfinished for me. Mid-century architecture can age well if maintained properly and updated tastefully. It's nice to see some of the more stable established neighborhoods where residents realize they have a prime location and continue to add on to and improve their existing homes.

And; I do not say this to be mean, but I fear that a lot of the homes built since ca. 1990 will deteriorate at a faster rate than those built ca. 1952-76.

Read that a 50 YO house still standing in 2008, if it had been maintained and 'updated' (read that better HVAC, electrical, etc) will still be around for another 50 years whereas the aforementioned newer places will mostly be dilapidated when they hit age 30.

[Sunvixen]

Heck, rather than start another thread...

Do the House in/around Phoenix usually have ATTIC space?

I've been looking at homes and I noticed that lots of them have high roofs over, say, the garage. I've been in garages out there and I do not remember then having high ceilings. While I can imagine this space getting horribly hot, I was wondering if it can be used for storage space? Mostly things like Holiday decorations...(no, no, not wax candles...)

(If anybody says that scorpions hang out in attics I will come over there with my belt!!)

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by silverbear

I'm afraid that's not true. Many of the most enthusiastic Phoenicians are transplants like me. By the way, are those markets still operating in Buffalo? Let's make sure we're comparing one place to another rather than one time to another. Chain supermarkets are the norm in most parts of the country now, even those that used to rely more on local markets like you describe.

Ditto.

As I have stated many time in the past: Climate Zone 8 or higher for me sans humidity.

I can live without a lot of 'culture' if I am not freezing/sweating my tail off

And; too, the Phx area is not exactly a total culture 'backwater' either

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by abmiku

All I'm saying is there's better places to live...I lived in Sedona for 6 years Tucson for one year, Flagstaff for 2 years, Mesa for Nine years and I just moved to Laveen. I've been camping and fishing at Powell, been to Havasu, Yuma, Bisbee, Coolidge, San Carlos, Thatcher, Florence, Payson, Prescott, Tonto Village, Pinetop...You get the picture...The best things to do in Phoenix is leave and go somewhere else. You can't say that going to the Grand Canyon is something to do in Phoenix? I've been everywhere in AZ, trying to get out of Phoenix...So the 2 things you list to do in Phoenix is Go to area museams and art festivals...okay, what about the other 360 days of Inferno like heat.. While things may have changed, back in NY, Things have changed in Phoenix...and not for the better.

You evidently have given my state an honest lookover; maybe it is indeed time to leave for 'greener pastures'.

[abmiku]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

You evidently have given my state an honest lookover; maybe it is indeed time to leave for 'greener pastures'.

It's not the State that's bad, it's just Phoenix...In my opinion.