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Old 04-26-2018, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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It isn't fake news, it was just a deleted tweet. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ion/552217002/
I didn't think the local Fox stations (unless they were a Sinclair owned station) would be as bad as Fox News, but in the last week they have. Fellow anchor John Hook did the same thing this week attacking teachers on KTAR, even saying they should have negotiated with lawmakers when in reality the lawmakers (namely Ducey) wouldn't. Mac and Gaydos (The interviewers) even called him out on it. Podcast Player Archives - KTAR.com

It is safe to say Fox 10 is bisaed towards the right. Luckily Arizona is a right leaning state but in these cases, these anchors are wrong and prove to be typical Fox sock puppets. I kind of wish they were a Sinclair owned station come to think of it, at least you can "trust" them...
Lake did some half-arsed apology last night saying how much she loved teachers but not much about how sorry she was for making stupid remarks on air. I don't know what has come over the local FOX station. They used to be pretty neutral but are now airing talking heads from FOX news with political viewpoints presented as news and, as you observe, even the hosts are getting in on it. I liked to watch them for the 9pm time slot. Local news should really be a spin free zone, IMO. I am dumping them for 3 after this Lake incident.
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Old 04-26-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Phoenix AZ
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But why not during the previous admin? If it has been going on for so long why not strike when a sympathetic POTUS is in the house?
This particular potus has been quite adamant that the economy is just glorious, the stock market has been on an incredible tear & bonuses have never been higher for those in the corporate world. If you can’t get a raise when the economy is peachy, when can you get a raise?

You can play a lot of games with budgeting, but the bottom line is government revenues are dependent on economic activity. You collect more income taxes when there’s more income. You collect more sales taxes when there are more sales, you collect more property taxes when property is worth more.

There’s more money in the pot to play with & it’s being diverted away from teachers. Employees in the private sector have often had to accept no raises when their company has no profits, but they start asking when times are good. This is exactly the same thing & it’s not unpatriotic or evil or bad, it’s fair.
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Old 04-26-2018, 10:52 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Lake did some half-arsed apology last night saying how much she loved teachers but not much about how sorry she was for making stupid remarks on air. I don't know what has come over the local FOX station. They used to be pretty neutral but are now airing talking heads from FOX news with political viewpoints presented as news and, as you observe, even the hosts are getting in on it. I liked to watch them for the 9pm time slot. Local news should really be a spin free zone, IMO. I am dumping them for 3 after this Lake incident.
I'm with you! NBC 12 got in lock step with the Dems/left talking points so I jumped to Fox local which was fairly neutral then this happens along with a couple of other incidents so now I'll just stick with CBS local.

These people are supposed to be REPORTERS not opinion/political/spin masters...
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Old 04-26-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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This particular potus has been quite adamant that the economy is just glorious, the stock market has been on an incredible tear & bonuses have never been higher for those in the corporate world. If you can’t get a raise when the economy is peachy, when can you get a raise?

You can play a lot of games with budgeting, but the bottom line is government revenues are dependent on economic activity. You collect more income taxes when there’s more income. You collect more sales taxes when there are more sales, you collect more property taxes when property is worth more.

There’s more money in the pot to play with & it’s being diverted away from teachers. Employees in the private sector have often had to accept no raises when their company has no profits, but they start asking when times are good. This is exactly the same thing & it’s not unpatriotic or evil or bad, it’s fair.
I love the Capitol's new talking point which is "it's the school district's fault, we give them money and they decide who gets what". Point fingers everywhere BUT at themselves...
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I love the Capitol's new talking point which is "it's the school district's fault, we give them money and they decide who gets what". Point fingers everywhere BUT at themselves...
The problem is not enough to go around. The schools have to choose to buy tires for the buses, fix the AC, buy/replace chromebooks and tablets (textbooks are so 20th century), deal with skyrocketing health premiums, etc. or give raises - all on $1000 per student less than they had just a few years ago. It's an educational Sophie's choice. Arizona is not some broke state with a declining economy and people moving away. Things are booming again and it is high time we make our schools whole with the growing revenue from that boom.
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:23 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The problem is not enough to go around. The schools have to choose to buy tires for the buses, fix the AC, buy/replace chromebooks and tablets (textbooks are so 20th century), deal with skyrocketing health premiums, etc. or give raises - all on $1000 per student less than they had just a few years ago. It's an educational Sophie's choice. Arizona is not some broke state with a declining economy and people moving away. Things are booming again and it is high time we make our schools whole with the growing revenue from that boom.
I've heard it explained that back in 2009/2010 (ish) everyone took a reduction due to the economy tanking which was fair, the dollars just weren't there. Now that the economy has recovered they should be returned to prior levels.
If they had the money prior to the crash why wouldn't they have it now given the economic growth that's been going on for a few years now?
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I've heard it explained that back in 2009/2010 (ish) everyone took a reduction due to the economy tanking which was fair, the dollars just weren't there. Now that the economy has recovered they should be returned to prior levels.
If they had the money prior to the crash why wouldn't they have it now given the economic growth that's been going on for a few years now?
Ducey claims they have the money. I saw him on the news this morning. There are legislators though that say otherwise and those who want to put the money into a rainy day fund. What they fail to acknowledge is that it has been raining cats and dogs in education for a decade or more.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:08 PM
 
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The problem is not enough to go around. The schools have to choose to buy tires for the buses, fix the AC, buy/replace chromebooks and tablets (textbooks are so 20th century), deal with skyrocketing health premiums, etc. or give raises - all on $1000 per student less than they had just a few years ago. It's an educational Sophie's choice. Arizona is not some broke state with a declining economy and people moving away. Things are booming again and it is high time we make our schools whole with the growing revenue from that boom.
Don't forget breakfast.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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This particular potus has been quite adamant that the economy is just glorious, the stock market has been on an incredible tear & bonuses have never been higher for those in the corporate world. If you can’t get a raise when the economy is peachy, when can you get a raise?

You can play a lot of games with budgeting, but the bottom line is government revenues are dependent on economic activity. You collect more income taxes when there’s more income. You collect more sales taxes when there are more sales, you collect more property taxes when property is worth more.

There’s more money in the pot to play with & it’s being diverted away from teachers. Employees in the private sector have often had to accept no raises when their company has no profits, but they start asking when times are good. This is exactly the same thing & it’s not unpatriotic or evil or bad, it’s fair.
I understand all that. Thanks for the explanation on how taxes work. Maybe in your next lesson you can teach me about debt.

I'm all for getting TEACHERS what they deserve. My issue is with this particular strike and the claim that it's a grassroots movement.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I'm with you! NBC 12 got in lock step with the Dems/left talking points so I jumped to Fox local which was fairly neutral then this happens along with a couple of other incidents so now I'll just stick with CBS local.

These people are supposed to be REPORTERS not opinion/political/spin masters...
NBC12 leans Dem at times but not annoyingly so like Fox 10 with being conservative puppets. Fox 10 (KSAZ) is owned and operated by Fox TV so it shouldn't surprise anyone their slant. When I lived in New York, I don't even recall WNYW being THAT conservative. Then again we are in a hyper-biased era of the news. If you know to look at bias, it is easy to find it and it is easy to dismiss news that you don't agree with due to "bias" and look to aim for news that aligns with your views.

ABC-15 and from what I heard KTAR aren't that blatantly biased. AZ-3 is pretty fair too.
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