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Old 04-27-2018, 09:10 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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There was definitely a shortfall in 2008, all the funding in the state took cuts due to the Great Recession. That was not the start of it though. Education funding really started declining in 1990...prior to that we were about national average. Good ol Symington took his swipe at education by allowing Charter Schools (1995), Nepalitano got sued for trying to combine school districts...Hull and Brewer didn't do much and then there is Ducey. He is trying to do something but he just doesn't have the money in the budget. We have gone from a $3.5B budget in the 1990s to a $9.8B budget today...with the amount of students and families moving into the state we are trying to play catch up to the 2008 spending on K-12 (which seems to be a bubble in itself honestly, the highest in a 30 year period). Still a large amount of the State budget goes towards Education. The districts then also receive state and local funds (property taxes) to set up their budgets. Lottery money? I don't think anyone knows where that goes.

Don't get me wrong...there is a shortfall in State spending. This needs to be fixed...this walkout though is political theater. It solves NOTHING.
The 25% of Lottery money that AZ gets goes into the general fund according to a report this morning on CBS 5 which is exactly where I thought it went. Yep, the big Lottery LIE, we need the lottery for schooooooools, approve the lottery for the chiiiiiiildren. Shhhh, don't tell anyone but it's going into the general fund and NOT earmarked for schools.
The same thing will happen if Pot is legalized just you watch and see.

If the legislators gave a damn or thought the teachers had any clout they would've stayed in session and really worked on the issue. They don't believe their jobs are on the line, they don't believe the teachers are serious and finally, they don't believe the teachers have public support.

What the legislature IS doing is giving the RED4ED movement the big middle finger along with a loud/long raspberry, they (the legislature) are more than willing to play a game of chicken as they believe they will win.
If those teachers go back to work Monday without a solid agreement that covers most of what they ask in place they've lost.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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FWIW...CUSD just reported schools will remain closed on Monday.
Just got the same text. I will reiterate what I said earlier in the thread: While I am in support of teacher raises and increased school funding, the teachers knew what the numbers would be before the school year started and agreed to teach this year anyway. Once they committed to teach this year, they need to do their damn job and not pull this strong-arm sht at the end of the school year. Don't like the money, don't agree to teach next year and there will be a shortage and things would likely change. They are doing these midday marches in April when most of them will have 8 weeks off starting soon, if you're serious about this and it's for the kids, disrupt your Summer vacation plans and march then. Don't disrupt the kids.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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AZ Attorney General & State Education said teachers could be punished if this walk out continues much longer and legally could be Fired and their teaching certifications revoked, AZ is right to work State
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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AZ Attorney General & State Education said teachers could be punished if this walk out continues much longer and legally could be Fired and their teaching certifications revoked, AZ is right to work State
That's fine, so if you fire the teachers, who'll teach the kids?

Sounds like a threat more than an actual reasonable solution by the AG.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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jimj...absolutely spot on and thank you for the info on the Lottery. I was pretty sure it just got dumped into the General Fund but couldn't find anything on the Gov websites stating that.

And I totally agree...Legislature walking out yesterday is basically saying "We will pass a budget when we are good and ready to". There is no "Teachers Union" in AZ, just the AEA. They have no clout. The legislature just called their bluff. Sure hope the teachers are ready to play hardball or this whole walk out is for nothing.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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That's fine, so if you fire the teachers, who'll teach the kids?

Sounds like a threat more than an actual reasonable solution by the AG.
Actually...you don't have to be a certified teacher to "teach" in AZ...and they are offering Substitutes an extra...wait for it...$10 DOLLARS PER DAY.

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Old 04-27-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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That's fine, so if you fire the teachers, who'll teach the kids?

Sounds like a threat more than an actual reasonable solution by the AG.
Most teachers don't want to Strike, Chandler Schools already are reopening Monday with over 75% teachers
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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Most teachers don't want to Strike, Chandler Schools already are reopening Monday with over 75% teachers
You didn't get the same text that Kurt and I got?
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Most teachers don't want to Strike, Chandler Schools already are reopening Monday with over 75% teachers
If you are on the CUSD mailing list...check your email and/or text.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Most teachers don't want to Strike, Chandler Schools already are reopening Monday with over 75% teachers
Who really wants to strike? Even in the private industry, nobody wants to walk out on their employer.

But if you don't pay them properly, fund schools, benefits, etc... then people will say, either I quit, or make noise to force you to do something about it.
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