Phoenix is no longer such an affordable place to live (how much, homes)
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The median age of a fast food worker is now 29 years old. And I can say from first hand experience it's mainly adults working these jobs now, many with children of their own. Before I became a truck driver, I had 2 jobs, my day job was in a warehouse, and had a second job on weekends delivering pizza. I was 31 at the time, and all my co workers were my age or older. And for them, it was their only/main job
Mainly adults? Maybe young adults or retirees. If an adult is trying to make a career out of working at McDonald's during this time of almost record employment then there's something else going on with them that prohibits them from getting a better job than a career at a fast food place.
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This isn't true at all, at least around here. My teenage daughter works fast food and it is mostly with teens and young 20 somethings. Very few 29-30 year olds at McDonald's.
The Pizza place I worked at was the Hungry Howie's on 44th St&Thomas, which is here obviously. And it was true where I was working. We only had one teenager on the whole staff, and she had a kid herself. The rest of the staff were at least 30 years old
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Mainly adults? Maybe young adults or retirees. If an adult is trying to make a career out of working at McDonald's during this time of almost record employment then there's something else going on with them that prohibits them from getting a better job than a career at a fast food place.
The statistics are out there, the number I posted is a fact. The median age of a fast food worker is 29
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Mainly adults? Maybe young adults or retirees. If an adult is trying to make a career out of working at McDonald's during this time of almost record employment then there's something else going on with them that prohibits them from getting a better job than a career at a fast food place.
And this whole "record employment" thing doesn't guarantee someone a job. There's no on the job training anymore (except in the trucking industry, since you can only learn to drive a truck by actually doing it); and aside from construction labor and some warehouse work, no employers want workers who don't have job specific skills already. That leaves fast food and retail for those who haven't gone to college or trade school. It's easy to figure out.
It's like the one thing Mike Rowe says that I agree with, "there's a job-skills mismatch". It's all because almost no employers want to do on the job training anymore, they want people with experience (or education) already
And this whole "record employment" thing doesn't guarantee someone a job. There's no on the job training anymore (except in the trucking industry, since you can only learn to drive a truck by actually doing it); and aside from construction labor and some warehouse work, no employers want workers who don't have job specific skills already. That leaves fast food and retail for those who haven't gone to college or trade school. It's easy to figure out.
It's like the one thing Mike Rowe says that I agree with, "there's a job-skills mismatch". It's all because almost no employers want to do on the job training anymore, they want people with experience (or education) already
I hire for a living and have jobs I can't fill. If you can fog a mirror I'll give you a job making $11/hour and some pay $12/hour, no experience required. We'll train you all day long. These are jobs in healthcare...dietary, housekeeping, laundry, leading activities for patients, receptionist, etc. I can't fill these jobs.
The problem is that most minimum wage workers are not willing to work hard and take these jobs. They want to do something they are "passionate about", in other words they don't want to work.
I also have a ton of jobs for CNA's and Caregivers that require only a little amount of schooling and pay better. Again, I can't fill these jobs.
The statistics are out there, the number I posted is a fact. The median age of a fast food worker is 29
I totally disagree with your premise that no one trains anymore. And you mentioned truck driving. Aren't there schools where you can learn that in a short period of time or are all these articles and news pieces lying??
There was a piece on CNBC this morning talking about employers who cannot find one single person to hire for their jobs even with basically no qualifications whatsoever other than being able to breathe.
I suppose the 75-80 year old retirees would SIGNIFICANTLY skew that number. And the FACT remains that unless there are extenuating cirmustances, other than for a short period of time, a more mature adult should have much better options unless going thorough a transition or perhaps bringing on that circumstance themself by not being educated, trained, or making bad choices in life leading to this.
I understand most people have things happen to them and maybe need a transition job. However being a career McDonald employee would generally result from either very, very unfortunate circumstances or bad choices or lack of life preparation (or a combination of those).
If the result is mostly folks in transition sure, the median age can be higher than teenage. That's understandable. But in the lowest unemployment of basically forever, there should be options for those prepared except for very extenuating circumstances.
Notice that the states of Washington and Texas have quite a few Fortune 500/Fortune 1,000 companies, but both have completely opposite weather/climatic conditions, so weather really has nothing to do with it. Both of them do have friendly business climates and a skilled workforce, which are the important things these world class companies are seeking. The fact that both of those states have no income tax also helps. Out of curiosity, what "better things to do" does your brother refer to?
The weather in Texas sucks too. My brother was just referring to the nice climate in Arizona and the mountains....just his theory. Texas generally brings in companies and Washington develops their own in my experience having lived years in both states.
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I hire for a living and have jobs I can't fill. If you can fog a mirror I'll give you a job making $11/hour and some pay $12/hour, no experience required. We'll train you all day long. These are jobs in healthcare...dietary, housekeeping, laundry, leading activities for patients, receptionist, etc. I can't fill these jobs.
The problem is that most minimum wage workers are not willing to work hard and take these jobs. They want to do something they are "passionate about", in other words they don't want to work.
I also have a ton of jobs for CNA's and Caregivers that require only a little amount of schooling and pay better. Again, I can't fill these jobs.
$11/hr is minimum wage this year, and $12/hr will be next years minimum wage, so that's not really good pay your offering
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I totally disagree with your premise that no one trains anymore. And you mentioned truck driving. Aren't there schools where you can learn that in a short period of time or are all these articles and news pieces lying??
There was a piece on CNBC this morning talking about employers who cannot find one single person to hire for their jobs even with basically no qualifications whatsoever other than being able to breathe.
I suppose the 75-80 year old retirees would SIGNIFICANTLY skew that number. And the FACT remains that unless there are extenuating cirmustances, other than for a short period of time, a more mature adult should have much better options unless going thorough a transition or perhaps bringing on that circumstance themself by not being educated, trained, or making bad choices in life leading to this.
I understand most people have things happen to them and maybe need a transition job. However being a career McDonald employee would generally result from either very, very unfortunate circumstances or bad choices or lack of life preparation (or a combination of those).
If the result is mostly folks in transition sure, the median age can be higher than teenage. That's understandable. But in the lowest unemployment of basically forever, there should be options for those prepared except for very extenuating circumstances.
I'm a driver so I can comment on how it works.
There are private truck driving schools and some of the big companies have their own schools. The school just lets you get your license. You generally have to get your CDL permit on your own before attending the school, which is a multiple choice test, 3 sections, 20 questions each, and you have to get 80% minimum on all 3 sections. If you want endorsements (Haz Mat, Double-Triple, Tanker), you have an additional section for each of those.
After you get your license, if you went to a company school, you work for that company for a year to not have to owe the tuition for the school. If you went to a private school, your on your own for a job, and if the company you do get hired by doesn't offer tuition reimbursement, you're on the hook for your school tuition ($6,000).
Once going to a company with no experience, you have to spend 1 month driving OTR with a trainer (an experienced driver, his incentive is almost double pay usually while you as the trainee get a fixed weekly wage of between $300 and $500 depending on the company). The trainee does most of the driving, has to back into docks and spaces at truck stops, learns about doing ppwk, paying lumping fees (paid by the company), how to go through weigh stations and ports of entry, and most importantly, mountain driving; how to go up and down grades, using your jake brake properly on down grades. If your trainer passes you, you then take a company road test (which includes a pretrip test). If you pass that, you then go solo (or team with another driver if at a forced team company), at a reduced rate of pay until you get to 30,000 miles (takes 3-4 months for a rookie driver).
You make it through all of that, your finally a bonafide driver, but only in the eyes of the company you're working for at the time.
If you go to another better paying company, they'll want you to have between 2 and 5 years of experience to even consider hiring you.
The big companies can deal with rookie's because they self insure. Smaller companies usually have an insurance carrier, and it's the insurance companies requirement to not allow drivers with less than 2 years experience
$11/hr is minimum wage this year, and $12/hr will be next years minimum wage, so that's not really good pay your offering
Lol, they are minimum wage jobs. You guys are never happy...when minimum wage was $8.05 that wasn't sufficient and now that it is mandated to be $11/hour going to $12/hour that isn't good pay we're offering for minimum wage jobs? This is exactly how all the unskilled workers feel, they want to be compensated without having to do the work or put in the time to move up the pay scale.
You summed it up exactly...you (and those like you) will never be happy until you're making what skilled workers make and doing nothing to better yourselves to get there. You want to be rewarded for not improving your lot in life.
My two Masters Degrees (four degrees total), my two advanced certifications, and my 30 years experience in this field should qualify me for more money than you make not having done any of those things...
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