Are we about to be turning blue? (military, safety)

[Hschlick84]

Originally Posted by veritased

Do not let liberals get a toe hold and infect AZ with their progressive notions.
AZ will be ruined like they did to California with a decade.
And AZ does not have the economic engine of Silicon Valley to prop it up.

I'm doing my part to get as many common sense people over here.

If a Republican majority here did to the Democrats what the Democrat Majority did to Republicans in California, the AZ Blues would be extremely unhappy.

They don't learn and never will, because they don't give two schits.

[flint8ball]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

....yet...they want the people bringing these things to leave their brains, their intellect and their political philosophies at the state line and become hard-care libertarian, Bible-thumpers?

I'm pretty hard core Libertarian, but not religious. I didn't know there was a link there.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by flint8ball

It sucks that we're force to choose from 1 of 2 parties. I'd like to think there are many that would appreciate other options. For me, it's socially liberal BUT fiscally conservative. Do what you want as long as it doesn't negatively impact me or others...and you can afford it. Limit government spending and social welfare. Maximize individual responsibility. Anybody? The false dichotomy we're force fed sickens me.

You're onto to it here. Both political parties continuously fail to deliver on what are their supposed core issues. The end result is the taxpayer is left holding the bag (and it's usually filled with $h**).
The real question should be: if AZ is to become the next state controlled by the Dems, which supposedly successful state will we emulate?

[More Rock]

Originally Posted by flint8ball

It sucks that we're force to choose from 1 of 2 parties. I'd like to think there are many that would appreciate other options. For me, it's socially liberal BUT fiscally conservative. Do what you want as long as it doesn't negatively impact me or others...and you can afford it. Limit government spending and social welfare. Maximize individual responsibility. Anybody? The false dichotomy we're force fed sickens me.

Sounds like libertarianism, which I was told existed here once.

[new2colo]

Originally Posted by Jnvlv247

I blame millenials and AZ supporting RINOs like McCain and Flake

Millennials were born between 1983-2000ish. McCain was first elected in 1982. Something is not adding up with your idea that millennials were responsible for John McCain being elected.

[flint8ball]

Originally Posted by More Rock

Sounds like libertarianism, which I was told existed here once.

Yep, but some think it's a bad word, so sometimes I prefer to discuss the platform instead

[Jnvlv247]

Originally Posted by new2colo

Millennials were born between 1983-2000ish. McCain was first elected in 1982. Something is not adding up with your idea that millennials were responsible for John McCain being elected.

Millenials voting in Democrats and other progressive crazies like Sinema

Anyone else voting McCain

I wasn't making a correlation, it was 2 statements

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Jnvlv247

Millenials voting in Democrats and other progressive crazies like Sinema

Anyone else voting McCain

I wasn't making a correlation, it was 2 statements

You seem to be desperately reaching to assign “blame”. Sinema ran a far superior campaign and the better candidate won. You need to look at the vote totals and take a look at our current demographics if you think she won because of millennials.

[flint8ball]

Unfortunately, I think most/all republican politicians are RINOs. I've not seen much evidence of attempting to limit government and/or federal spending, let alone realizing it. And now with Trump, republican politics has a frightening theocratic nature. I hope it's just a blip on the radar.

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by More Rock

Sounds like libertarianism, which I was told existed here once.

Libertarianism is like Communism. It only works -- in its purest form -- in small, homogenous populations where people share values and everything is mutually agreed upon. It renders itself ineffective the larger and more diverse a population gets.

Just like Communism, Libertarianism is a fringe ideology with a longer track record of abject failure than success. All you really need to do is look at the founders at the root of these ideologies to see the hypocrisy:

Karl Marx was born into a privileged, comfortable life.

Ayn Rand went to her death bed using welfare, food stamps and government aide.

The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...america-215313


"I've Seen All Sorts of Horrific Things in My Time. But None as Detrimental to the Country as This"
https://newrepublic.com/article/1205...l-country-this


Atlas Mugged: How a Libertarian Paradise in Chile Fell Apart.
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/b...ged-922-v21n10