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Old 01-01-2020, 11:51 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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I'll agree with you on one point; its weird there isn't the word "Phoenix" in the name of any of the sports teams out here...although other teams around the country have a similar weirdness...."Florida marlins", "Texas rangers", "Minnesota twins","Utah jazz", "Colorado rockies" and so forth..
Yes, and those are only a handful of places containing the state names. Furthermore, Florida & Texas still have plenty of other sports teams named for the core cities: Dallas Cowboys, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Miami Heat, Orlando Magic, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, etc. The really odd fact is that some teams were once named after the state (Florida Marlins, California Angels), but they have since changed to give identity to the core city. They're now called the Miami Marlins and Los Angeles Angels. At one time, it used to be Phoenix Coyotes and Phoenix Cardinals, but we took a backward step by dropping the Phoenix name for the Arizona title. What's the sense behind this?
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Old 01-01-2020, 01:52 PM
 
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The really odd fact is that some teams were once named after the state (Florida Marlins, California Angels), but they have since changed to give identity to the core city. They're now called the Miami Marlins and Los Angeles Angels. At one time, it used to be Phoenix Coyotes and Phoenix Cardinals, but we took a backward step by dropping the Phoenix name for the Arizona title. What's the sense behind this?
Per an agreement with the City of Miami and Miami-Dade County (which owns their new ballpark) and put up $132.5 million and $376.3 million respectively, the Marlins officially changed their name to the "Miami Marlins", so it was part of the agreement to finance the stadium, they had to change their name.

As for the Angels, they changed their name to the Anaheim Angels in 1997, then the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in 2005 and now have been the Los Angeles Angels since 2016. I think the main reason owner Arte Moreno who bought the team in 2003 knew "Los Angeles" was more marketable than say "Anaheim", so he made the change.

Is the name "Phoenix" more marketable than "Arizona", I guess that's debatable. Is the name "Anaheim" more marketable than 'Los Angeles" probably not, unless you're talking about Disney!

In March 1994, Bill Bidwill renamed the team the Arizona Cardinals due to fan preference, Bidwell had initially resisted the name "Arizona Cardinals" due to the NFL's tradition of team names that identified home cities.

When IceArizona purchased the Coyotes in the summer of 2013, the new ownership group wanted the name to be all-inclusive for the state of Arizona. Who knows, maybe the new ownership (Alex Meruelo) of the Yotes will change it back?

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Old 01-01-2020, 02:22 PM
 
Location: northwest valley, az
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Yes, and those are only a handful of places containing the state names. Furthermore, Florida & Texas still have plenty of other sports teams named for the core cities: Dallas Cowboys, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Miami Heat, Orlando Magic, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, etc. The really odd fact is that some teams were once named after the state (Florida Marlins, California Angels), but they have since changed to give identity to the core city. They're now called the Miami Marlins and Los Angeles Angels. At one time, it used to be Phoenix Coyotes and Phoenix Cardinals, but we took a backward step by dropping the Phoenix name for the Arizona title. What's the sense behind this?
good question; when I think of "Cardinals", its always meant St. Louis to me; coming from the midwest..

calling them "phoenix", instead of "Arizona" in all our sports teams might actually help to increase attendance at the games, = more $$ for the teams and the city..Isn't that the whole idea behind professional sports?
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Old 01-01-2020, 03:06 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Is the name "Phoenix" more marketable than "Arizona", I guess that's debatable. Is the name "Anaheim" more marketable than 'Los Angeles" probably not, unless you're talking about Disney!

In March 1994, Bill Bidwill renamed the team the Arizona Cardinals due to fan preference, Bidwell had initially resisted the name "Arizona Cardinals" due to the NFL's tradition of team names that identified home cities.

When IceArizona purchased the Coyotes in the summer of 2013, the new ownership group wanted the name to be all-inclusive for the state of Arizona. Who knows, maybe the new ownership (Alex Meruelo) of the Yotes will change it back?
When the Cardinals' name was changed from Phoenix to Arizona in 1994, one of the reasons for the renaming was exactly the same as why the Coyotes did it in 2013: to include all of Arizona. But seriously, how many people in the remote parts of the state give a crap about pro sports in the Valley? Giving the Cards the Arizona name certainly hasn't caused them to increase their fan base or play any better, has it? Same can be said about the Coyotes: has the Arizona name brought in more fans or given the team a Stanley Cup victory?

I also heard the excuse that because Phoenix is in the center of the state and is the only major metro area in AZ, the teams should have the AZ title. We could say the same thing about a state like Georgia: only one major metro area which is in the center of the state, but all of their pro teams are named for the core city (Atlanta). One of the reasons for having pro sports is city identity. Phoenix may not be very marketable to the nation as a whole because it has been allowed to be put on the sidelines, and we have too many small thinkers here who either prefer it that way, or don't care. That's pretty sad for as large as we are, and how much potential we have!
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Old 01-01-2020, 03:16 PM
 
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I'll agree with you on one point; its weird there isn't the word "Phoenix" in the name of any of the sports teams out here...although other teams around the country have a similar weirdness...."Florida marlins", "Texas rangers", "Minnesota twins","Utah jazz", "Colorado rockies" and so forth..
Phoenix Suns
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Old 01-01-2020, 04:26 PM
 
Location: northwest valley, az
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one down, how many. more to go...
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Old 01-01-2020, 04:38 PM
 
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one down, how many. more to go...
Rising, Mercury... I think that’s it
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Old 01-01-2020, 04:53 PM
 
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Sunday's Cards game against the Rams was the last time the Rams played at the L.A. Coliseum, and their new home will be a state of the art venue in Inglewood, CA. Ordinarily, I'm not an advocate for moving pro sports venues to a suburban location, but this is a good move for a couple of reasons: despite all the renovations, the Coliseum is old with limited seating capacity (77,500). The new venue will not only have greater capacity, it's in an established location with existing infrastructure: close to several freeways & near LAX. The new development will also include Hollywood Park which is similar to Westgate, only better because it includes office space & condos along with a large theatre, shops, and eateries.

In Las Vegas, the new Allegiant stadium is nearing completion for the Raiders to move in and begin playing soon. Another good location: right next to I15, close to the Strip, and McCarran Airport. Also, T Mobile Arena is the current home of the Vegas Golden Knights, which is located within walking distance of the Strip and close to practically everything.

Now, compare these facilities to what Phoenix has for our pro football & hockey venues: two big arenas and an entertainment facility (Westgate) plunked in the middle of what was once a cotton field (and cotton fields still exist nearby). There is no established infrastructure, except the close access to the 101 freeway, but far away from Sky Harbor, downtown, and where the majority of the population resides.

If that isn't bad enough, Westgate was a such a losing deal that it faced foreclosure several years ago, and was taken over by the city of Glendale, which turned around and shoved the cost onto the taxpayers. What was initially supposed to be the sports & entertainment center of metro Phoenix has become a huge financial boondoggle. The vacant land around Westgate (once envisioned to have massive office, retail, and residential development) has pretty much remained unchanged over the years.

One last thing to consider: despite the Rams and Chargers playing outside the city of L.A., both teams still call themselves the LOS ANGELES Rams & LOS ANGELES Chargers. The NHL & NFL teams in Vegas are called the LAS VEGAS Golden Knights & LAS VEGAS Raiders. Our pro sports teams area called ARIZONA Cardinals, ARIZONA Coyotes, and ARIZONA Diamondbacks. Other than the Phoenix Suns, this city has very little identity when it comes to sports, entertainment, and practically anything else.

Inglewood, CA is not really suburban. Its just a city around which Los Angeles annexed land. Its closer to downtown L.A. than several other Professional sports venues in other cities. I'm in the DFW market. The Texas Rangers and Cowboys play not in Dallas or Dallas county but adjacent Tarrant County. But from a metro perspective, those two facilities are more centrally located. They have good highway/road access but unlike for the Dallas Stars and Dallas Mavericks, who play in Dallas, there is no rail service. The DFW area has an abundance of facilities for sporting events, including a brand new 14,000 seat arena in Fort Worth. When some markets get so large, sometimes some municipalities are more willing to provide some funding than others.
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Old 01-01-2020, 04:56 PM
 
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I'll agree with you on one point; its weird there isn't the word "Phoenix" in the name of any of the sports teams out here...although other teams around the country have a similar weirdness...."Florida marlins", "Texas rangers", "Minnesota twins","Utah jazz", "Colorado rockies" and so forth..
Just an FYI, the MLB team in south Florida is now the Miami Marlins. I can understand Texas Rangers because its a take-off on the States Police department, the Texas Rangers. Colorado Rockies too makes sense.
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Old 01-01-2020, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Sunday's Cards game against the Rams was the last time the Rams played at the L.A. Coliseum, and their new home will be a state of the art venue in Inglewood, CA. Ordinarily, I'm not an advocate for moving pro sports venues to a suburban location, but this is a good move for a couple of reasons: despite all the renovations, the Coliseum is old with limited seating capacity (77,500). The new venue will not only have greater capacity, it's in an established location with existing infrastructure: close to several freeways & near LAX. The new development will also include Hollywood Park which is similar to Westgate, only better because it includes office space & condos along with a large theatre, shops, and eateries.

In Las Vegas, the new Allegiant stadium is nearing completion for the Raiders to move in and begin playing soon. Another good location: right next to I15, close to the Strip, and McCarran Airport. Also, T Mobile Arena is the current home of the Vegas Golden Knights, which is located within walking distance of the Strip and close to practically everything.

Now, compare these facilities to what Phoenix has for our pro football & hockey venues: two big arenas and an entertainment facility (Westgate) plunked in the middle of what was once a cotton field (and cotton fields still exist nearby). There is no established infrastructure, except the close access to the 101 freeway, but far away from Sky Harbor, downtown, and where the majority of the population resides.

If that isn't bad enough, Westgate was a such a losing deal that it faced foreclosure several years ago, and was taken over by the city of Glendale, which turned around and shoved the cost onto the taxpayers. What was initially supposed to be the sports & entertainment center of metro Phoenix has become a huge financial boondoggle. The vacant land around Westgate (once envisioned to have massive office, retail, and residential development) has pretty much remained unchanged over the years.

One last thing to consider: despite the Rams and Chargers playing outside the city of L.A., both teams still call themselves the LOS ANGELES Rams & LOS ANGELES Chargers. The NHL & NFL teams in Vegas are called the LAS VEGAS Golden Knights & LAS VEGAS Raiders. Our pro sports teams area called ARIZONA Cardinals, ARIZONA Coyotes, and ARIZONA Diamondbacks. Other than the Phoenix Suns, this city has very little identity when it comes to sports, entertainment, and practically anything else.
Have you been around Westgate lately?
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