Pros And Cons Of Phoenix (Parks: suburbs, land, ranking)

[rogetsthesaurus]

Originally Posted by azriverfan

It's not even east or west, most of the shootings occur in Phoenix in the same areas. When you hear the words "Van Buren, Bethany Home", that's Phoenix!

So would you recommend NOT renting an apartment that's on or near Bethany Home?

[Finger Laker]

i wouldn't say that at all

you have to realize that roads out here can go 30-40 + miles - if i was 20 miles east i'd be periously close to van buren - but i don't so it's fine

[Hassayampa Slim]

It's a big city.. complete with all the things (good and bad) that come with that. As of 2007, the Phoenix Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) had an estimated population of 4,179,427, and West of the Rockies (maybe even the Mississippi) it's second only to the Los Angeles Metro Area in both square miles and population. I think that pretty well tells the story... for both.

Originally Posted by Finger Laker

i wouldn't say that at all

you have to realize that roads out here can go 30-40 + miles - if i was 20 miles east i'd be periously close to van buren - but i don't so it's fine

[reckoner]

Originally Posted by Hassayampa Slim

It's a big city.. complete with all the things (good and bad) that come with that. As of 2007, the Phoenix Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) had an estimated population of 4,179,427, and West of the Rockies (maybe even the Mississippi) it's second only to the Los Angeles Metro Area in both square miles and population. I think that pretty well tells the story... for both.

not true. as of 7/1/2007,

1 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island NY–NJ–PA 18,815,988
Edison NJ 2,319,704
Nassau–Suffolk NY 2,759,762
Newark–Union NJ-PA 2,128,679
New York–White Plains–Wayne NY-NJ 11,607,843
2 Los Angeles–Long Beach–Santa Ana CA 12,875,587
Los Angeles–Long Beach–Glendale 9,878,554
Santa Ana–Anaheim–Irvine 2,997,033
3 Chicago–Naperville–Joliet IL–IN–WI 9,524,673
Chicago–Naperville–Joliet IL 7,952,540
Gary IN 698,971
Lake County–Kenosha County IL–WI 873,162
4 Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington TX 6,145,037
Dallas–Plano–Irving 4,111,529
Fort Worth–Arlington 2,033,508
5 Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington PA–NJ–DE–MD 5,827,962
Camden NJ 1,246,339
Philadelphia PA 3,887,694
Wilmington DE–MD–NJ 693,929
6 Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown TX 5,628,101
7 Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach FL 5,413,212
Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach–Deerfield Beach 1,759,591
Miami–Miami Beach–Kendall 2,387,170
West Palm Beach–Boca Raton–Boynton Beach 1,266,451
8 Washington–Arlington–Alexandria DC–VA–MD–WV 5,306,565
Bethesda-Gaithersburg–Frederick MD 1,155,518
Washington–Arlington–Alexandria DC–MD–VA–WV 4,151,047
9 Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta GA 5,278,904
10 Boston–Cambridge–Quincy MA–NH 4,482,857
Boston–Quincy MA 1,858,216
Cambridge–Newton–Framingham 1,473,416
Peabody 733,101
Rockingham County–Strafford County NH 418,124
11 Detroit–Warren–Livonia MI 4,467,592
Detroit–Livonia–Dearborn 1,985,101
Warren–Troy–Farmington Hills 2,482,491
12 San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont CA 4,203,898
Oakland–Fremont–Hayward 2,483,842
San Francisco–San Mateo–Redwood City 1,720,056
13 Phoenix–Mesa–Scottsdale AZ 4,179,427
14 Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario CA 4,081,371
15 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue WA 3,309,347
Seattle–Bellevue–Everett 2,536,182
Tacoma 773,165
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington MN–WI 3,208,212
17 San Diego–Carlsbad–San Marcos[3] CA 2,974,859
18 St. Louis MO–IL 2,803,707
19 Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater FL 2,723,949
20 Baltimore–Towson MD 2,668,056
21 Denver–Aurora CO 2,464,866
22 Pittsburgh PA–WV 2,355,712
23 Portland–Vancouver–Beaverton OR–WA 2,175,113
24 Cincinnati–Middletown OH 2,133,678
25 Cleveland–Elyria–Mentor OH 2,096,471

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by reckoner

not true. as of 7/1/2007,

1 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island NY–NJ–PA 18,815,988
Edison NJ 2,319,704
Nassau–Suffolk NY 2,759,762
Newark–Union NJ-PA 2,128,679
New York–White Plains–Wayne NY-NJ 11,607,843
2 Los Angeles–Long Beach–Santa Ana CA 12,875,587
Los Angeles–Long Beach–Glendale 9,878,554
Santa Ana–Anaheim–Irvine 2,997,033
3 Chicago–Naperville–Joliet IL–IN–WI 9,524,673
Chicago–Naperville–Joliet IL 7,952,540
Gary IN 698,971
Lake County–Kenosha County IL–WI 873,162
4 Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington TX 6,145,037
Dallas–Plano–Irving 4,111,529
Fort Worth–Arlington 2,033,508
5 Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington PA–NJ–DE–MD 5,827,962
Camden NJ 1,246,339
Philadelphia PA 3,887,694
Wilmington DE–MD–NJ 693,929
6 Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown TX 5,628,101
7 Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach FL 5,413,212
Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach–Deerfield Beach 1,759,591
Miami–Miami Beach–Kendall 2,387,170
West Palm Beach–Boca Raton–Boynton Beach 1,266,451
8 Washington–Arlington–Alexandria DC–VA–MD–WV 5,306,565
Bethesda-Gaithersburg–Frederick MD 1,155,518
Washington–Arlington–Alexandria DC–MD–VA–WV 4,151,047
9 Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta GA 5,278,904
10 Boston–Cambridge–Quincy MA–NH 4,482,857
Boston–Quincy MA 1,858,216
Cambridge–Newton–Framingham 1,473,416
Peabody 733,101
Rockingham County–Strafford County NH 418,124
11 Detroit–Warren–Livonia MI 4,467,592
Detroit–Livonia–Dearborn 1,985,101
Warren–Troy–Farmington Hills 2,482,491
12 San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont CA 4,203,898
Oakland–Fremont–Hayward 2,483,842
San Francisco–San Mateo–Redwood City 1,720,056
13 Phoenix–Mesa–Scottsdale AZ 4,179,427
14 Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario CA 4,081,371
15 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue WA 3,309,347
Seattle–Bellevue–Everett 2,536,182
Tacoma 773,165
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington MN–WI 3,208,212
17 San Diego–Carlsbad–San Marcos[3] CA 2,974,859
18 St. Louis MO–IL 2,803,707
19 Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater FL 2,723,949
20 Baltimore–Towson MD 2,668,056
21 Denver–Aurora CO 2,464,866
22 Pittsburgh PA–WV 2,355,712
23 Portland–Vancouver–Beaverton OR–WA 2,175,113
24 Cincinnati–Middletown OH 2,133,678
25 Cleveland–Elyria–Mentor OH 2,096,471

Whats not true?

[Ponderosa]

I guess you are trying to draw attention to SF area? If so, by now we have passed them if not the next one up the list, Detroit, which is bleeding people. Look out Boston!

[reckoner]

i believe sf, houston and dallas are all positioned to the west of the missippi river.

[fcorrales80]

LOL, I see what you mean. True, I think his "west of the Rockies" made more sense, but he did forget about the Bay Area.

[Finger Laker]

west of the rockies was definitely the main point and in 07 they were neck & neck with the bay area - by now i'm sure phoenix has passed it and sits only behind the LA region

are you just trying to be a contrarian?

[jumpinjack]

No doubt phoenix is moving up the list. But it's interesting to note the big differences between ranking city population and MSA population. Phoenix number 4 or 5 in the former, and 13 in the later.

What do you all think is the better indicator of how "major" a city is?