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Unread 06-15-2008, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Maybe I'm wrong then. If we got rid of all the illegals then maybe gas would drop 1 cent....Because international companies(like Exxon) and OPEC are not going to lose their profits because the US has or doesn't have illegals..they could careless...

The price of a barrel of oil has no direct correlation to the illegal population in the USA.

How many illegals are in the USA? How many drive? How many are children because the children are not driving...so really, how many illegal drivers are there? Enough to make a difference? Most likely not...well maybe a penny off the gas prices.

Now if you argued that our insurance rates would drop then you would have a better argument... and I would agree. But gas and illegals is laughable at best...
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Unread 06-15-2008, 12:54 PM
 
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Maybe I'm wrong then. If we got rid of all the illegals then maybe gas would drop 1 cent....Because international companies(like Exxon) and OPEC are not going to lose their profits because the US has or doesn't have illegals..they could careless...

The price of a barrel of oil has no direct correlation to the illegal population in the USA.

How many illegals are in the USA? How many drive? How many are children because the children are not driving...so really, how many illegal drivers are there? Enough to make a difference? Most likely not...well maybe a penny off the gas prices.

Now if you argued that our insurance rates would drop then you would have a better argument... and I would agree. But gas and illegals is laughable at best...


If the value of the dollar is worth less, things are going to cost more. Plain and simple. Illegals have contributed to the weakening of the dollar. It's a fact. Argue it all you want. Illegal immigration is hurting this country in a big way. I'm not just talking gas. I'm talking about the VALUE of the dollar. It's being hurt by many factors.. One of which ILLEGALS. What is so hard to understand?


Gas was cheaper when the dollar had more value. Now that the dollar is down, things go up. It's plain and simple!
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Unread 06-15-2008, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Gas was cheaper when the dollar had more value. Now that the dollar is down, things go up. It's plain and simple!
OK buddy, when was the last time gas was cheap? Was $2 cheap? Has your level of acceptable pricing gone up? Would we be happy to pay $2.50...$3.

And I agree, illegals are hurting the dollar. A ton of things are hurting the dollar. The USA is in some big trouble in that terms...

But there is still no direct correlation (ZERO) between the price of a barrel of oil and illegals living in the USA.

My assertion is this, if we (USA) did not have an illegal problem; gas prices would have still gone up to these levels...
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Unread 06-15-2008, 01:04 PM
 
Location: The Miami Of Canada
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Maybe I'm wrong then. If we got rid of all the illegals then maybe gas would drop 1 cent....Because international companies(like Exxon) and OPEC are not going to lose their profits because the US has or doesn't have illegals..they could careless...

The price of a barrel of oil has no direct correlation to the illegal population in the USA.

How many illegals are in the USA? How many drive? How many are children because the children are not driving...so really, how many illegal drivers are there? Enough to make a difference? Most likely not...well maybe a penny off the gas prices.

Now if you argued that our insurance rates would drop then you would have a better argument... and I would agree. But gas and illegals is laughable at best...
According to this Time Magazine article, it's 3 Million a year from Mexico alone:
Who Left the Door Open? - TIME

Mexico isn't the only country to have large groups of their citizens try to come to the U.S. illegally either. When you think that it could be double or triple of 3 Million the amount of illegals coming to the U.S., well, that's a lot of people. And remember that this is yearly, so it really adds up. And most articles I've read claim that no more than 120,000 illegals are caught and sent back home per year. Those who find a way to stay in the U.S. have kids that also have needs taking even more from our energy resources. In my opinion, this creates a energy burden that could be lessened if the U.S. Government became more strict and not just relied on folks like Sheriff Joe to handle it.
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Unread 06-15-2008, 01:15 PM
 
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Itchick: I think your right they are a burden on this country. But also think that most of the illegals they deport they just come back over and over anyways. I saw a drug dealer on the news deported 30 times and he just keeps coming back thats just crazy. They got to get tough on this. Mexico kills anybody who crosses their southern border maybe we should do the same its a threat to national security. By the way the gov. just cut Joe Arpaios funding.
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Unread 06-15-2008, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Itchick: I think your right they are a burden on this country. But also think that most of the illegals they deport they just come back over and over anyways. I saw a drug dealer on the news deported 30 times and he just keeps coming back thats just crazy. They got to get tough on this. Mexico kills anybody who crosses their southern border maybe we should do the same its a threat to national security. By the way the gov. just cut Joe Arpaios funding.
I agree, Sam . . . GETTING SERIOUS IS A MUST!

Deporting once, or maybe twice, is ok but after that, SERIOUS SLAMMER TIME!
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Unread 06-15-2008, 01:33 PM
 
Location: The Miami Of Canada
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Itchick: I think your right they are a burden on this country. But also think that most of the illegals they deport they just come back over and over anyways. I saw a drug dealer on the news deported 30 times and he just keeps coming back thats just crazy. They got to get tough on this. Mexico kills anybody who crosses their southern border maybe we should do the same its a threat to national security. By the way the gov. just cut Joe Arpaios funding.
I agree with you that many of the illegals they deport probably do find their way back to the U.S. somehow. When I was in College, I worked for a construction company and became friendly with a few of the workers that had come to the U.S. illegally but became citizens through one of the old Amnesty programs. They were standing around one day joking about one of their illegal friends who was caught by the police for committing a crime and mentioned that he was going to be deported. When I asked with concern as to what will their friend do, they all laughed and said that it was no big deal as their deported friend will just walk to a certain place in Mexico that they all knew about and cross into the U.S. again.

It is sad to read that Sheriff Joe's funding got cut. I hope there was a good reason for it.
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Unread 06-15-2008, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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If the value of the dollar is worth less, things are going to cost more. Plain and simple. Illegals have contributed to the weakening of the dollar. It's a fact. Argue it all you want. Illegal immigration is hurting this country in a big way. I'm not just talking gas. I'm talking about the VALUE of the dollar. It's being hurt by many factors.. One of which ILLEGALS. What is so hard to understand?


Gas was cheaper when the dollar had more value. Now that the dollar is down, things go up. It's plain and simple!
Makes perfect sense to me, Bench.

The ILLEGAL INVASION is having a major negative effect on ALL citizens of the United States.
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Unread 06-15-2008, 03:06 PM
 
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Makes perfect sense to me, Bench.

The ILLEGAL INVASION is having a major negative effect on ALL citizens of the United States.
Yes. It's sad.. It really is sad. Our founding fathers gave their lives for the greatness of this country. Then we just hand it away to these illegal's. When you acknowledge the problem, you are accused of racial profiling. It sucks..

I hate anyone who doesn't give a positive contribution to society. Regardless of what color they are.


I'm an electrician. I have the misfortune working with these rodents on a daily basis. Instead of walking to the bathroom, it's no big deal for these people just to whip it out, and take a leak where ever is convenient for them. Same with taking dumps.. It's disgusting..

And when they do make it to the bathroom, it's no big deal to leave crap on, and all over the john. If there's no toilet paper, it doesn't stop them from dropping a bomb.. It's HAZARDOUS.

These people are a major liability to the rest of us. We are seeing diseases come back in this country that have been cured for decades. They are filling our prisons.. Exploiting our health care.. Messing up insurance rates..

They are nothing less than parasites... Slowly sucking the life right out of us..


I just moved here from MASSACHUSETTS. It's a huge problem in Massachusetts to. Illegals are invading.. Don't hate them though.. Hate the white man that is hiring them.

I don't understand why anyone would be against the Sheriff.. Especially on this issue...... I want nothing more than to shake the guys hand.. He's one of the few that are stepping up for this country..

The longer this continues.. the longer the law abiding citizen will suffer.. After a while people will feel like it's not worth it anymore.. Then crime rates will rise, ect..

We can thank the illegals for that to... This is only going to snowball.. I wish everyone could see the overall "BIG PICTURE"
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Unread 06-15-2008, 03:16 PM
 
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OK buddy, when was the last time gas was cheap? Was $2 cheap? Has your level of acceptable pricing gone up? Would we be happy to pay $2.50...$3.

And I agree, illegals are hurting the dollar. A ton of things are hurting the dollar. The USA is in some big trouble in that terms...

But there is still no direct correlation (ZERO) between the price of a barrel of oil and illegals living in the USA.

My assertion is this, if we (USA) did not have an illegal problem; gas prices would have still gone up to these levels...

If a dollar was worth a brick of gold, and a brick of gold was worth a barrel of oil. It would cost 1 dollar for a barrel of oil. If that dollar lost value, and it was only worth half a brick of gold, it would now cost $2 for a barrel of oil. The declining dollar is 100% associated with the rising cost of oil.

When the value of the dollar was up, oil was cheap ( FOR THE US ).. Some of the world has been paying (4+ dollars) for gas for decades now. The reason being, their value of money, wasn't as valuable as ours. There are other factors in it to, but that is the main factor..

Either way, I could careless about the rising cost of oil. We are on the verge of something extremely serious, and here we are ******ing about the cost of oil. That's what's wrong with the country today.

We need unity. We need to come together and fight off this plague before it's to late. We shouldn't be worried about Sheriff Joe's investments.. We should be applauding the guy for setting a standard. He's single handedly paving the way for the rest of the country. It's a shame it goes unappreciated...
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