5:30am photography on a Sunday? Part 2: A growing city... (Phoenix: apartment, renting)
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LOL.. or go to a Diamondbacks game and you won't have to wait until 2:00 AM, you'll see plenty of "hotties" walking out of the Chase Ballpark, and unfortunately, some will be drunk.
I remember one time in 2002, I went to a baseball game with my girlfriend back then, it was on a Saturday night, and we were walking back to the parking garage where I parked my SUV, and we saw a comotion across the street between 3 "hotties". They were arguing about something, and yelling enough obsenities to embarrass even a foul-mouthed sailor!
sounds like a good clean fun right there! nothing wrong with 3 drunk blonde slobs going at it! I heard some good stories about the hot tub incidents at chase park too! I think they got rid of the hot tub though, yeah?
sounds like a good clean fun right there! nothing wrong with 3 drunk blonde slobs going at it! I heard some good stories about the hot tub incidents at chase park too! I think they got rid of the hot tub though, yeah?
About the hot tub/pool - I heard about those incidents in the pool also. I haven't gone to any games lately, but I do believe they got rid of it.
I wish they'd do something with that old post office building on Central and Filmore, it's an eye sore.
Also, there are plenty of vacant lots, and vacant old buildings on Central, north of Filmore, to McDowell. These would definitely be perfect for new buildings taller than the Chase tower, since they would be further north of the FAA's building height limitation zone, which I think starts from Van Buren and southward. Although we have a weak real estate market right now, the commercial office space is still healthy, so I hope we'll see more office space in the downtown area.
They are doing something with the post office...and that something is not tearing it down, which is fine by me. I don't know why you see it as an eyesore...do you see the Westward Ho as an eyesore as well? The post office has great period detail and is in great condition. They are turning it into the ASU student union.
As for north of Fillmore, I don't know if we'll see seeing anything that tall there. That area is turning into more of a walkable, residential mixed-use area more then anything with 3-4 story condos going in and lots of restaurants, which again is fine by me. While I love skyscrapers, they aren't a necessity to having a vibrant downtown while people are.
The post office is going to remain a smaller post office and most of it will be turned into a student union for ASU. It is not ugly in my opinion but very pretty and a tribute to Spanish Colonial architecture that had its hayday here in Phoenix long ago when the post office was built. As for the pool at Chase Field...it is still there and you can still buy tickets for a group of for a few people. I believe FAA height restrictions extend up to Indian School Rd. unfortunately, but they will start building higher and pushing for more and more as time goes on. Even though there is an economic slowdown, for some reason, downtown has not experienced this type of negative impact like other areas of the valley. Here is a piece that is a very important future addition to downtown:
The post office is going to remain a smaller post office and most of it will be turned into a student union for ASU. It is not ugly in my opinion but very pretty and a tribute to Spanish Colonial architecture that had its hayday here in Phoenix long ago when the post office was built. As for the pool at Chase Field...it is still there and you can still buy tickets for a group of for a few people. I believe FAA height restrictions extend up to Indian School Rd. unfortunately, but they will start building higher and pushing for more and more as time goes on. Even though there is an economic slowdown, for some reason, downtown has not experienced this type of negative impact like other areas of the valley. Here is a piece that is a very important future addition to downtown:
Ripe for a farmers market (broken link)
Student Union for ASU - Well, at least they're doing something with it. It's been a post office since the early 1930's. Do you know if they're planning on doing any renovations on it?
On the FAA restrictions for building heights - I thought McDowell was the northern boundry, but you could be right, and I wouldn't be surprised, since those restrictions were put in place in the days before the advances in aviation technology, when pilots relied on what they saw outside of the aircraft, and control towers, to maneuver a 4-engine Lockheed Constellation, a Douglas DC-6, or a heavy Boeing 707, for the pattern entry, glide slope, and final approach to Sky Harbor, on days when visibility is very low, and they wanted to make sure an aircraft did not collide with a tall building because the pilot couldn't see it. The technology in aviation, which has been around for over 30 years, will prevent pilots from missing the glide path intersection with runway 8/26 (north runway) at Sky Harbor.
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Student Union for ASU - Well, at least they're doing something with it. It's been a post office since the early 1930's. Do you know if they're planning on doing any renovations on it?
On the FAA restrictions for building heights - I thought McDowell was the northern boundry, but you could be right, and I wouldn't be surprised, since those restrictions were put in place in the days before the advances in aviation technology, when pilots relied on what they saw outside of the aircraft, and control towers, to maneuver a 4-engine Lockheed Constellation, a Douglas DC-6, or a heavy Boeing 707, for the pattern entry, glide slope, and final approach to Sky Harbor, on days when visibility is very low, and they wanted to make sure an aircraft did not collide with a tall building because the pilot couldn't see it. The technology in aviation, which as been around for over 30 years, will prevent pilots from missing the glide path intersection with runway 8/26 (north runway) at Sky Harbor.
Yes, they will be renovating the building but preserving its original craftsmanship. I believe it was a federal building before it was a post office in the 30's like you said.
And yeah, the rules for height restrictions up to Indian School Rd. are old and archaic but was told that they are in place in case an engine falls off a plane and freak accidents of that sort, LOL! I guess is happens once in a great while.
They are doing something with the post office...and that something is not tearing it down, which is fine by me. I don't know why you see it as an eyesore...do you see the Westward Ho as an eyesore as well? The post office has great period detail and is in great condition. They are turning it into the ASU student union.
As for north of Fillmore, I don't know if we'll see seeing anything that tall there. That area is turning into more of a walkable, residential mixed-use area more then anything with 3-4 story condos going in and lots of restaurants, which again is fine by me. While I love skyscrapers, they aren't a necessity to having a vibrant downtown while people are.
HX, i respectfully disagree with your last statement...I think highrises(apartments, condos and office buildings) and skyscrapers are vital part and a neccessity to having a vibrant downtown...I think part of architect that is missing in PHX area are more of skyskrapers and highrises, within a confined area...especially in phx area where it is sooo spread out, i think they could easily add number of highrises and skyskrapers w/o looking too congested! my 2 cents!
you have to have people living in highrises and going to and fro work from the downtown highrises...so the businesses can stay open longer than 9-5, etc...otherwise, it'll be like detroit, its a ghosttown after 5pm
Also, there are plenty of vacant lots, and vacant old buildings on Central, north of Filmore, to McDowell. These would definitely be perfect for new buildings taller than the Chase tower, since they would be further north of the FAA's building height limitation zone, which I think starts from Van Buren and southward. Although we have a weak real estate market right now, the commercial office space is still healthy, so I hope we'll see more office space in the downtown area.
Yes, the office vacancy rate in the downtown area is the LOWEST it has been ever! More businesses (small, medium, and large) are currently demanding more of a centralized location for many reasons. While condo towers are fine for residential purposes, what downtown is seriously lacking is office towers, as well as hotels.
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As for north of Fillmore, I don't know if we'll see seeing anything that tall there. That area is turning into more of a walkable, residential mixed-use area more then anything with 3-4 story condos going in and lots of restaurants, which again is fine by me. While I love skyscrapers, they aren't a necessity to having a vibrant downtown while people are.
Skyscrapers are definitely a necessity in a vibrant downtown ... although, I agree that they shouldn't be the ONLY structures in a thriving downtown area. Even though there are a good share of 20 or 25 story office towers along Central Avenue, there is no reason why more 50, 60, and 70 story towers can't be built for business needs. As I mentioned previously, more companies are demanding centralized locations, and the downtown office vacancy rate is in the single digits.
There needs to be a financial district, much like other vibrant cities (New York, Chicago, L.A., San Francisco, and Houston) have. That district could have the tall office towers ... while some other parts of downtown could have your eateries, clubs, and entertainment. Even though there are huge efforts to improve downtown, it seems that we are trying to copy Portland, Oregon in many ways. While Portland is a nice city, Phoenix (being three times as large) should really strive to be a world class destination, and more attractive to larger Fortune 500 type of firms.
HX, i respectfully disagree with your last statement...I think highrises(apartments, condos and office buildings) and skyscrapers are vital part and a neccessity to having a vibrant downtown...I think part of architect that is missing in PHX area are more of skyskrapers and highrises, within a confined area...especially in phx area where it is sooo spread out, i think they could easily add number of highrises and skyskrapers w/o looking too congested! my 2 cents!
you have to have people living in highrises and going to and fro work from the downtown highrises...so the businesses can stay open longer than 9-5, etc...otherwise, it'll be like detroit, its a ghosttown after 5pm
I was in Honolulu earlier this month, and they built plenty of taller buildings, around 50 storys, before creating roads to accomodate the traffic. I've driven through Honolulu and Waikiki and their streets, which look more like alleys than streets, are much more congested than ours.
The one thing I also saw about Honolulu International Airport, jets taking off to the east, from runways 8 right and 8 left, are forced to turn sharply to the right immediately after take-off to avoid the tall towers of downtown Honolulu and Waikiki that are straight ahead just 2 or 3 miles east of the airport, othewise they would fly from 300 to 1000 feet above those buildings, since most of these towers are residential condos, and there's a noise abatement rule in effect for Honolulu. Now that makes me wonder why the FAA couldn't extend the building heights here in downtown Phoenix. Right now aircraft taking off from runway 26 are about a mile south of downtown. If they were to allow 60 or 70 story buildings, they could easily make aircraft taking off from runway 26, heading west, turn slightly on a 250 degree heading to the left/southwest, to keep a safe distance from tall buidings, and yet stay at a very safe distance from the west end of South Mountain and the 4000-foot Estrella Mountain range further to the southwest.
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nothing wrong with 3 drunk blonde slobs going at it! I heard some good stories about the hot tub incidents at chase park too! I think they got rid of the hot tub though, yeah?
