like i say...

[Chrismo]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

I don't get it, we the people are some of the wealthyest in the world. Business is booming, things are going great. Yes the cost of gas and other consumable items has increased around the nation. At the same time you couldn't find a better time in the past decade to purchase a home. If you want a SUV the dealers are begging you to take one and offering major incentives to do so. There are plenty of jobs if you are prepaired for them. Those of us that put the time in to get an education can attest to that fact. Another thing is that in todays age their is no excuse not to get an education. Sure it is expensive but so is ignorance. Lets make this a local subject. I see people around Central that look as though they are hurting financially. I see people walking to work and the jobs they are walking to are not high paying jobs. At the same time that is not my problem. If someone can't see that they have an issue and that to live in todays economy that they need to make more than $20 an hour to do it than what good will it do me to offer them a hand out. People don't need a meal they need a way to pay for the meal. The only way to do that is take the time to get an education or learn a trade that pays more than $20 an hour. In the Phoenix area are lots of jobs that pay $50,000 a year and few prepaired to accept those jobs. The hospitals all need Nurses, respriratory Therapist, Lab Techs and other diciplines. Companies are begging for Engineering Grads. I see jobs that pay $80,000 and more that are hard to fill because people haven't put the time in to prepare themselves to fill them. All I see in the valley are happy times. Anyone out there can accomplish what I have accomplished and have a great life. All they need to do is put the time in and prepare themselves for the opportunity. I did it and anyone else can. I always think it is funny when people talk about a problem they are having or comparing themselves to a Millionaire. Why not become a Millionaire? It is possible. Most of those that have acquired that wealth did it the old fashioned way, they earned it. When you drive up to Scottsdale or Arrowhead area and see someone living in your dream home driving your dream car, remember one thing. Chances are they worked for what they have and you can too. Chances are you wont have it tommorow. But you can still have it if you are willing to put the time in.

In the words of Gene Simmonds:

Money isn't the root of all evil, Lack of money is the root of all evil.

"prepaired"? That's educated? I know people in NYC that make 6 figures and don't have degrees and have worked very hard to get where they are. They have more common sense than some with degrees. Arizona is a "right to work" law state, of course the wages are crappy. Someone with a 4 year degree or an MBA makes very low wages in Arizona compared to NY, CA, DC (just to name a few). I think Arizona's government needs to get educated honey. I came here from NY and the wages are very awful here and it's no wonder people need more than one income to a household. Sure, the cost of living in NY is high, but Arizona's cost of living has gone through the roof! The only thing that has gone down is housing. Big deal. Meanwhile, rent, gas, electric, food is up there!

At least in NY you can make a "living" on a decent salary and they actually do pay you "what your worth." Someone with 20, 30 years of experience and say an Associates degree is just as qualified for a job as someone with a 4 year degree and 1 year of experience. It's what you have to offer the employer, what are you willing to put on the table to get hired.

A degree isn't everything, it's good, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it should "justify" employment.

[twixcookie]

In reality, you can work very hard, you can have degrees, you can have experience, but there has to be a need for you.
It is like preparing a wonderful dessert no one really wants to eat.

People assume those who are hurting have not worked hard or are lazy. It might be true for some of them, but definitely not ALL of them.

I know, because I keep getting poorer. Last night, I read up on String Theory just to get my mind off my problems.

And for the person who said hospitals need people...medicine is very specialized, and many of the specialities are only staffed in just a few people per facility. People confuse nursing with everything. Hospitals might hire hundreds of nurses. But in other specialities, they don't, so the positions fill up quickly. Medicine is not the big safety net everyone thinks it is...

[TurcoLoco]

Originally Posted by Chrismo

"prepaired"? That's educated? I know people in NYC that make 6 figures and don't have degrees and have worked very hard to get where they are. They have more common sense than some with degrees. Arizona is a "right to work" law state, of course the wages are crappy. Someone with a 4 year degree or an MBA makes very low wages in Arizona compared to NY, CA, DC (just to name a few). I think Arizona's government needs to get educated honey. I came here from NY and the wages are very awful here and it's no wonder people need more than one income to a household. Sure, the cost of living in NY is high, but Arizona's cost of living has gone through the roof! The only thing that has gone down is housing. Big deal. Meanwhile, rent, gas, electric, food is up there!

I totally agree, the salaries of most positions seem to be at least 10 years behind times or the companies are being cheap which makes sense if they moved their HQ to AZ 'back in the day' to save $$ on their overhead.

Housing seems to have come down to a 'realistic' level but everything else (utilities, sales tax, groceries, etc.) seem a bit too high and I still don't think it is good enough to offset the rest.

At least in NY you can make a "living" on a decent salary and they actually do pay you "what your worth." Someone with 20, 30 years of experience and say an Associates degree is just as qualified for a job as someone with a 4 year degree and 1 year of experience. It's what you have to offer the employer, what are you willing to put on the table to get hired.

A degree isn't everything, it's good, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it should "justify" employment.

I agree with that as well, I have seen and worked with total slackers/idiots who hold a degree/college diploma but couldn't hold a candle over someone half as good as me!

[azkylady2]

Originally Posted by TurcoLoco

What are you guys, like 10 years old? Not trying to be mean but you just realized this horrible economical imbalance around the world?

Same logic as a lottery with a jackpot of $3 million that you get to win by only spending $1, meaning 3+ million people has to lose minimum $1 for one or more people to win the total jackpot.

If you see a millioner, that pretty much means a million or more people are financially doing a lot worse than that guy is, whether they got jacked or didn't their play their cards right or whatever...

I don't see how this topic relates to Phoenix area or even Arizona?

seriously, How long would a conversation last if you were limited to one subject matter? There are homeless in Phoenix, so it relates to Phoenix,, oops not just Phoenix, every state, so its off topic?

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Originally Posted by Chrismo

"prepaired"? That's educated? I know people in NYC that make 6 figures and don't have degrees and have worked very hard to get where they are. They have more common sense than some with degrees. Arizona is a "right to work" law state, of course the wages are crappy. Someone with a 4 year degree or an MBA makes very low wages in Arizona compared to NY, CA, DC (just to name a few). I think Arizona's government needs to get educated honey. I came here from NY and the wages are very awful here and it's no wonder people need more than one income to a household. Sure, the cost of living in NY is high, but Arizona's cost of living has gone through the roof! The only thing that has gone down is housing. Big deal. Meanwhile, rent, gas, electric, food is up there!

At least in NY you can make a "living" on a decent salary and they actually do pay you "what your worth." Someone with 20, 30 years of experience and say an Associates degree is just as qualified for a job as someone with a 4 year degree and 1 year of experience. It's what you have to offer the employer, what are you willing to put on the table to get hired.

A degree isn't everything, it's good, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it should "justify" employment.

Your comparing Arizona's right to work designation with California. Since I am from California, let me fill you in, it is also a right to work state. You also mentioned the cost of rent and consumable items increasing in cost in Arizona, the cost of utilities increasing in Arizona. That is not a local issue, it has happened everywhere.
That is a nation wide issue. I don't want anyone to think that I am saying a degree is the do all to end all. I will say this, that those with it will make more over there lifetime than those that don't have it. Ofcourse you could put in the 20 or 30 time frame to get the background that you could get from having a degree.
Here is a simulation on what could happen between the graduate and the guy that heads off to work after completing High School. After your 20 or 30 years you could be living the same lifestyle as someone that graduated and has put in a year of time. The graduate would be about 24 years old, and you with your 20 to 30 years of experience of working right out of high school would be between 38 and 48 years old. The grad buys a home when he is 25 and you buy one when you are 39 or 49. The grad pays off the home by the time they are 55 and you pay off your home when you are 69 or 79.