01-23-2007, 06:53 AM
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It seems as though there are a ton of negative people that post here about the Phoenix area. If you don't like it here, move! No one is making you live here. Go live somewhere else and be happy.
01-23-2007, 07:57 AM
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It seems as though there are a ton of negative people that post here about the Phoenix area. If you don't like it here, move! No one is making you live here. Go live somewhere else and be happy.
All that seems simple enough however pomp and circumstance dictate. Check the forums of all 50 states and there cities and you will see negative comments about every place from the weather, culture, etc.... People have a right to voice there opinions whether you like it or not. I only get offended if people try to make opinions into fact and are inaccurate and off base. If something is fact about a place person or thing no matter how negative it may seem you have to own up to that fact. In the end you are right Phoenix isn't for everybody and those that don't like it in Phoenix should leave in which the ultimately will!!!!
01-23-2007, 08:25 AM
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It seems as though there are a ton of negative people that post here about the Phoenix area. If you don't like it here, move! No one is making you live here. Go live somewhere else and be happy.
Its easier said than done. Alot of people will go through the major and expensive task of selling their homes and relocating to PHX, just to find out in a year or two that they cant stand it. Then of course the task of having to relocate again becomes another burden they dont want to repeat. So then of course they moan about it, which is their God-given right, until they finally leave, which can take years.
I notice alot of people do that down there. They visit for a week, love it, then make a stupid and hasty decision to move. Then after 2 years, they realize its not what they thought it would be. I almost did the same thing, but instead I took the wiser path and vacationed there several more times and found that its one of my fave vacation spots, but not somewhere Id want to live. The people that wench and moan are the kind that rushed down there and cant get back out. Guess Id be wenchin too.
Oh well, just listen to em and try and point em in some directions that might be fun for them (recommend some new shopping areas, new restaurants, new activities, etc).
01-23-2007, 10:46 AM
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Consider the source ?
There are two types of posts on this message board: facts and opinions. The readers of any post must take a little responsibility to realize that not all messages are necessarily accurate and they should consider the source and the validity of the each post.
For what it's worth "that's my 2 cents" and it's an opinion
01-23-2007, 11:01 AM
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It seems as though there are a ton of negative people that post here about the Phoenix area. If you don't like it here, move! No one is making you live here. Go live somewhere else and be happy.
No matter where people are living, if they don’t like it there – they move if they can. I don’t know of anywhere that doesn’t have some problems of one type or the other. Most people like to vent and may say things that others wouldn’t like to hear that doesn’t make what they say “factual” but it may be an “opinion” and “valid” for them.
That being said, I have to agree if someone didn’t like it here, they need to find a way to move on to another location that will fit there needs better then Phoenix or Az. Life is too short to live in a location that makes you unhappy.
That’s an opinion and view of one member.
01-23-2007, 12:10 PM
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No matter where people are living, if they don’t like it there – they move if they can. I don’t know of anywhere that doesn’t have some problems of one type or the other. Most people like to vent and may say things that others wouldn’t like to hear that doesn’t make what they say “factual” but it may be an “opinion” and “valid” for them.
That being said, I have to agree if someone didn’t like it here, they need to find a way to move on to another location that will fit there needs better then Phoenix or Az. Life is too short to live in a location that makes you unhappy.
That’s an opinion and view of one member.
You are absolutely right but I noticed on these forums people take one aspect about a place they don't like and run with it which may not necessarily be true. Example, if I said it was 100 degrees in Phoenix everyday 12 months out of the year and without doing research or seeing for yourself if it was true or not you would believe me and it would severly impact your way of thinking whether or not to move here or not that is what you get on these threads. I have also noticed that those who do give factual and actual information which are negative people get all bent out of shape.
01-23-2007, 03:59 PM
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It seems as though there are a ton of negative people that post here about the Phoenix area. If you don't like it here, move! No one is making you live here. Go live somewhere else and be happy.
I am stuck here until May unfortunately.
After that I am back to the Northeast and done with Arizona forever.
01-23-2007, 04:30 PM
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It seems as though there are a ton of negative people that post here about the Phoenix area. If you don't like it here, move! No one is making you live here. Go live somewhere else and be happy.
I think it depends on
why you don't like it in Phoenix. If the desert lifestyle is just a plain "bad fit" for you -- if you don't like the desert now and you wouldn't have liked it 50 years ago -- then, yes, you should move. But there are people who would give anything to live in the southern Arizona of 30 or 40 years ago. People should fight for the livability standards they want. Jumping ship just filters out the people who really care about quality of life and paves the way for lowest-common-denominator planning policy. There are many of us who pine for the Arizona of years gone by. We can't return because it doesn't exist anymore, but the memory of the good days still festers as we go about our lives in less development-crazed parts of the country
01-23-2007, 09:22 PM
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Good old days
So many new people who come to Arizona find that in the first year they just don’t like it for one reason or another and they may have valid reasons for what it is they dislike. However I seem to find after talking with so many others, that if you’re here for two years you will end up staying. After the two year period people seem to adjust to the area and the way this part of the country is. Everyone seems to find ways to deal with some of the problems that they thought troubled them.
And yes Steve you are correct “the gold old days don’t exist anymore”! That being those days not only here but where we came from as well. How many of us have returned to visit where we use to live and found that it just isn’t like it was before and how happy we are that we moved and now live in the southwest. Adjustment to our new location is important, and it’s nice to make a comparison to where we came from. I can find the good and the bad in both areas of the country, yet I’ll take make my bed here first.
I continue to look for the “Mayberry RFD” in this country but I don’t think we can get back to that slower way of life or when neighbors could leave their front door open to everyone. The times have changed but the memory of those good old days remain.
01-23-2007, 11:21 PM
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I don't mind the negative posts. Maybe more people will think twice before moving to the PHX area and we can go back to the good old days before nutty traffic, overcrowding and over development with ticky tacky strip malls and same-tiled rooflines for miles on end.
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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I notice alot of people do that down there. They visit for a week, love it, then make a stupid and hasty decision to move. Then after 2 years, they realize its not what they thought it would be. I almost did the same thing, but instead I took the wiser path and vacationed there several more times and found that its one of my fave vacation spots, but not somewhere Id want to live. The people that wench and moan are the kind that rushed down there and cant get back out. Guess Id be wenchin too. 
Oh well, just listen to em and try and point em in some directions that might be fun for them (recommend some new shopping areas, new restaurants, new activities, etc).
Consider the source ?
It's my opinion and view!
