Sheriff Joe (Winkelman: job, crime, retire)

[sindey]

Originally Posted by topjimmy

Yes, because the Maricopa County Sheriff is the only one that gets sued, right?

Do you know how many inmate lawsuits are filed annually in the US?

Yes,as a matter of fact I do.
Maricopa county has paid out more money in lawsuits than
any other in this country.I wouldn't be a bit surprised if
Sheriff Joe were one day brought up on charges himself.
He has that GOD complex going on similar to the President.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by sindey

Yes,as a matter of fact I do.
Maricopa county has paid out more money in lawsuits than
any other in this country.I wouldn't be a bit surprised if
Sheriff Joe were one day brought up on charges himself.
He has that GOD complex going on similar to the President.

Sadly, Sindey . . .

There is an abundance of GREEDY AMBULANCE CHASERS readily available for a frivolous lawsuit.

[sindey]

Originally Posted by Bummer

Sadly, Sindey . . .

There is an abundance of GREEDY AMBULANCE CHASERS readily available for a frivolous lawsuit.

Oh Bummer,come on
Of course there are,however in Maricopa county if they were so frivolous
then the amount paid out wouldn't be so high would it?
Some of these people were outright murdered in restraint chairs,
Some of the guards wanted & tried to stop it,then testified against those who committed these crimes.
Sheriff Joe is responsible.

[topjimmy]

Originally Posted by sindey

Yes,as a matter of fact I do.
Maricopa county has paid out more money in lawsuits than
any other in this country.

Really? Please provide a cite that proves this statement.

Maricopa County lawsuits are a drop in the bucket compared to what the CA penal system pays in lawsuits. See

County Lawsuits

Wrongful Imprisonment Lawsuits

Prison Lawsuits

How about a $13.1 million setttlement in Monroe County, WI?

Tomah Journal - News

Or a $17.5 million class action suit in Oregon?

Oregon: Class-Action Lawsuit by Inmates Demands Treatment for Hepatitis C - The Body

I could go on with this all day, but I'm sure you get the point.

You need to stop getting all of your information from the New Times. Every anti-law enforcement/anti-prison group in the country says the same things about every Sheriff, Warden, and Police Chief working today.

Read this anti-prison article that was published by the NY Times about the Alabama penal system. If you put Arpaio's name in it, it would seem like a New Times story about Maricopa County.

The Real Cost of Prisons Weblog: Prison Health Services: A Company's Troubled Answer for Prisoners with HIV

People who hate cops and jailers are always going to file lawsuits for anything they possibly can.

[sindey]

People who hate cops and jailers are always going to file lawsuits for anything they possibly can.


I am sure this happens all over the country however ,in this
county it was the families of the victims who sued.
You have your opinion & I have mine.
When people stop caring about one another and become complicite
about wrong doings, things will only get worse.

[topjimmy]

Originally Posted by sindey

Oh Bummer,come on
Of course there are,however in Maricopa county if they were so frivolous
then the amount paid out wouldn't be so high would it?
Some of these people were outright murdered in restraint chairs,
Some of the guards wanted & tried to stop it,then testified against those who committed these crimes.
Sheriff Joe is responsible.

Once again, you are making statements that are wholly untrue.

No one has ever been "murdered" in a restraint chair in Maricopa County. No Officer has ever been convicted of any crime against any inmate who was restrained in a restraint chair.

No "guards" have ever "testified against those who committed these crimes", because there has never been a criminal trial involving the restraint chair in Maricopa County.

There have, in fact, been CIVIL trials involving WRONGFUL DEATH. These inmates were all prolific drug users and high on methamphetamine at the time they were restrained (meth is practically the only reason to restrain people in a chair, because folks in their right mind do not act the way the people high on meth do).

Just because there was a monetary award in a civil trial does not mean there was a "murder". After all, we live in a nation where you can spill hot coffee on yourself and be awarded millions when you blame it on the fast food restaurant where you purchased said coffee.

On an interesting side note, the Scott Norberg case was not a trial award, but was, in fact, a settlement. Sheriff Arpaio wanted to take that particular case to court, but the INSURANCE COMPANY decided to settle the claim. The reason? A few weeks prior, an agency in CA lost a suit and was ordered to pay $44 million. The insurance company got scared, and because 8 million is a pittance compared to 44, guess what happened?

As is the case in many, many civil trials, a lot of times, it is simply cheaper to settle.

There are over 10,000 inmates incarcerated in Maricopa County Jails at any one time. Further, there are hundreds of thousands processed in and out over a years time.

A high percentage of the people in jail have anti-social personality disorder. ASPD lends itself to impulsive behavior. These people do not think before they act, and that is why they are in jail in the first place. They are high risk individuals who engage in a lot of high risk behavior. Drug/alcohol abuse, needle sharing, tobacco use, and unprotected sex is rampant among this group of people. Many have HIV, hepatitis, cancer and cirrhosis. Many are absolutely ravaged by years of drug abuse.

If you took a cross section of 10,000 people anywhere, let alone 10,000 people who engage in high risk behavior, some of them are just flat out going to die, and there isn't anything anyone could do about it. Thus the problem faced by the penal system.

[sindey]

Look, I understand about the high risk behavior,drug addiction,etc:
When a settlement is reached for wrongful death,that means someone
was responsible.
Of course sheriff Joe wanted these cases to go to trial.
That is the anomaly of his behavior. He craves attention.
As I stated before you are intitled to your opinion.
I have my own.

[topjimmy]

Originally Posted by sindey

Look, I understand about the high risk behavior,drug addiction,etc:
When a settlement is reached for wrongful death,that means someone
was responsible.
Of course sheriff Joe wanted these cases to go to trial.
That is the anomaly of his behavior. He craves attention.
As I stated before you are intitled to your opinion.
I have my own.

You missed the point. Because a settlement was reached DOES NOT mean someone was responsible. It means it was cheaper, easier, and less risky to settle than it was to drag it through the courts. Remember that old adage, "a jury is made up of a group of people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty". It is a bit cynical, but you never know what kind of crazy verdict is going to be decided (like millions of dollars for spilling coffee on yourself). Sometimes it is better to hedge your bets.

You should be more cautious about throwing around allegations of murder, some people take that kind of thing seriously and might actually be offended. Go figure.

If you are going to make false accusations in a public forum, you should expect someone to respond to them. Some of these "murderers" are close personal friends of mine. On cursory examination, you might not even be able to tell when one of those brutal, sadistic, bloodthirsty, heartless, merciless, vicious, savage, heinous murdering guards might be lurking among you. Or posting.

You just never know.

[sindey]

On cursory examination, you might not even be able to tell when one of those brutal, sadistic, bloodthirsty, heartless, merciless, vicious, savage, heinous murdering guards might be lurking among you. Or posting.

You just never know.[/quote]

I still believe the responsibility of deaths that occur in county jail belongs to the sheriff.
Some of the quards do not like him either.
I don't care if you,your friends,or family are guards.
I am not intimidated.

[Leana76]

Originally Posted by irwin

Crime is already going through the roof.

I totally agree!! It's gone the roof big time in Arizona. We just had a sheriff's deputy arrested, 4 months ago, on drug charges here in Yavapai County (Prescott, Az.). I knew him too. I had no idea he was a drug dealer, not just a cop. We have some corrupted cops in Az. too.