Sheriff Joe (Phoenix, Maricopa: lawyer, apartment, jobs)

[Arizona Annie]

Originally Posted by Artliquide

How wrong it is to "spy" on people's IPs really depends on who's looking at the info and what they intend to do with it. I took a pic of my boyfriend, photoshopped it, uploaded to my website. I looked at the log about a month later and saw a lot of hits for that pic on a different site. Someone had hotlinked my 100% original photo which was sitting on my website, which I pay for. Every time that pic was loaded, it was using up my bandwidth. So, not only did this person use a copyrighted photo without my permission, but they were stealing bandwidth from me.

I did the old switcheroo on them, which quickly prompted the person to remove the hotlink. Problem solved.

But, if I hadn't "spied" on them, they could still be stealing my copyrighted material and bandwidth today. Luckily, I pay a flat rate and don't usually get a whole lot of hits, so I wasn't losing money, but what if the photo was spread around, my bandwidth spiked and my host decided to start charging me more for using more bandwidth? Do you think that "spying" would still be wrong in that case?

Since this person chose to do this without asking my permission, I figure that it's fair that I spied on their ip. This is a case of justice. But, say, a big corp taking my information to spy on my spending habits would be a different story, in my opinion.

I can certainly see that. I agree with you. I am so sorry you had to go through all that. What a hassle that you shouldn't have had to go through because someone basically stole from you. When a crime is involved and the information is needed for that, I think it would be considered evidence gathering. If it's just to keep track of what sites people came to your site from, and what site they go to next, I don't like it. What bothers me is when people try to justify a double standard. In your case, like with Sheriff Joe's, it had to do with gathering evidence regarding a criminal activity.

[ibarrio]

In your case, like with Sheriff Joe's, it had to do with gathering evidence regarding a criminal activity.

No one viewing that article committed a crime!! It is not against the law to read articles critical of Sheriff Joe!! It is not against the law to write an article about Sheriff Joe!! Even the publishing of his info is debatable. Regardless, Joe did not need this info to pursue his charges against the owners...His pursuit of this info got the whole case thrown out...Good Police Work!!

If you do not use your demographics to improve your content then you are a poor webmaster. Maybe that is why you no longer have your website...

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by Arizona Annie

I can certainly see that. I agree with you. I am so sorry you had to go through all that. What a hassle that you shouldn't have had to go through because someone basically stole from you. When a crime is involved and the information is needed for that, I think it would be considered evidence gathering. If it's just to keep track of what sites people came to your site from, and what site they go to next, I don't like it. What bothers me is when people try to justify a double standard. In your case, like with Sheriff Joe's, it had to do with gathering evidence regarding a criminal activity.

No need to be sorry. I was angry that the person was so inconsiderate and it wasn't even someone either I or my BF know (if a friend had done that, I would have been more forgiving), but it wasn't a big deal overall. I just wanted to illustrate that there are valid reasons to look at the logged info.

[sstteevvee]

you are all so perfect aren't you? i bet you follow every law right? Don't speed (1 mph over is breaking the law hippocrits, if you go the speed limit on the freeway in az your asking to get hit, flipped off thousands of times, no one likes a grandma driver), wear your seatbelt, do a complete stop at every stop sign(not 1 of those kindove stops), use your turn signal every time (none of you do out here!), driving while talking on the phone is a crime now (all of you do it!).. better not have a nice cold beer at dinner and drive home.. certain things should be treated differently.. especially somebody who is not effecting anybody but themselves (who gives them the right to tell you you can't smoke a blunt in your house?, but that is worse then driving 20 mph over the speed limit and you could possibly kill some one) the system is really messed up. in arizona they suspend your license for just about everything and you automatically go on probation. they set you up for failure. with no license how are you supposed to drug test(they put you on a color and you have to call the place everyday and if your color comes up you have to go there, so there is no pre arrangements that can be made for a ride), goto counceling, see your po, get a job.. do anything? fly? I guess it's.. just don't get caught? and if you do.. your now labeled a criminal and have no rights anymore? it only takes 1 time.. 1 mistake.. i bet you all have never done anything wrong. you are straight arrows right? some one who robs a store or rapes some one or something.. ya they have something wrong with them.. probably on drugs or mentally ill.. keep them out of society.. but why torture them? lets just lock them up.. give them no meds.. ****ty food and then release them 1 day and say good luck buddy (you have no family or friends except people you met while in jail? who cares your times up.. and next thing they know they are in down town phoenix with no money and no place to go.. what would you do?.. but you must go see your po the next day.. get to your drug test and goto counceling.. HOW?) and don't go there if you are on meds like xanax or anything.. you won't get it so your going to be in hell.. their reason for giving nothing is (this is jail if we helped you detox you would like being here and wouldn't recieve the punishment you need).. well that don't work.. detoxing is hard the hardest thing in your life .. if your not given anything.. along with that food even if you get out 4 months later you will still be sick and that will be the first thing you do when u get out just becuase you haven't slept more then a few hours in the last few months.. look up any detox for these and see how hard they are.. benzo (xanax, valium, klonopin etc) or opiate (herion, oxycotin, vicodin, etc).. you got caught so you must suffer now.. it does not work!

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by sstteevvee

you are all so perfect aren't you? i bet you follow every law right? Don't speed (1 mph over is breaking the law hippocrits, if you go the speed limit on the freeway in az your asking to get hit, flipped off thousands of times, no one likes a grandma driver), wear your seatbelt, do a complete stop at every stop sign(not 1 of those kindove stops), use your turn signal every time (none of you do out here!), driving while talking on the phone is a crime now (all of you do it!).. better not have a nice cold beer at dinner and drive home.. certain things should be treated differently.. especially somebody who is not effecting anybody but themselves (who gives them the right to tell you you can't smoke a blunt in your house?, but that is worse then driving 20 mph over the speed limit and you could possibly kill some one) the system is really messed up. in arizona they suspend your license for just about everything and you automatically go on probation. they set you up for failure. with no license how are you supposed to drug test(they put you on a color and you have to call the place everyday and if your color comes up you have to go there, so there is no pre arrangements that can be made for a ride), goto counceling, see your po, get a job.. do anything? fly? I guess it's.. just don't get caught? and if you do.. your now labeled a criminal and have no rights anymore? it only takes 1 time.. 1 mistake.. i bet you all have never done anything wrong. you are straight arrows right? some one who robs a store or rapes some one or something.. ya they have something wrong with them.. probably on drugs or mentally ill.. keep them out of society.. but why torture them? lets just lock them up.. give them no meds.. ****ty food and then release them 1 day and say good luck buddy (you have no family or friends except people you met while in jail? who cares your times up.. and next thing they know they are in down town phoenix with no money and no place to go.. what would you do?.. but you must go see your po the next day.. get to your drug test and goto counceling.. HOW?) and don't go there if you are on meds like xanax or anything.. you won't get it so your going to be in hell.. their reason for giving nothing is (this is jail if we helped you detox you would like being here and wouldn't recieve the punishment you need).. well that don't work.. detoxing is hard the hardest thing in your life .. if your not given anything.. along with that food even if you get out 4 months later you will still be sick and that will be the first thing you do when u get out just becuase you haven't slept more then a few hours in the last few months.. look up any detox for these and see how hard they are.. benzo (xanax, valium, klonopin etc) or opiate (herion, oxycotin, vicodin, etc).. you got caught so you must suffer now.. it does not work!

What in the world are you talking about? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

As for cell phone use being illegal while driving, what is your source? On ADOT's website, there is a law which states that bus drivers can't talk on a cell phone while driving. I also saw elsewhere that a law was passed this year banning text messaging while driving, and that there is going to be an initiative presented next year to only allow hands free cell phone use while driving. Nowhere do I see that it's illegal to talk on a cell phone while driving (though I wish it were).

[Arizona Annie]

Originally Posted by ibarrio

No one viewing that article committed a crime!! It is not against the law to read articles critical of Sheriff Joe!! It is not against the law to write an article about Sheriff Joe!! Even the publishing of his info is debatable. Regardless, Joe did not need this info to pursue his charges against the owners...His pursuit of this info got the whole case thrown out...Good Police Work!!

If you do not use your demographics to improve your content then you are a poor webmaster. Maybe that is why you no longer have your website...

You know, it never ceases to amaze me how you like to insult me at almost every turn. You are now putting words in my mouth. I never said anyone viewing or reading articles of sheriff Joe committed a crime. After Sheriff Joe's personal information was published, he started receiving death threats. The paper put Sheriff Joe and his family at risk by publishing his personal information. If that wasn't a criminal act, it should be. That is my opinion. If it is different than yours, fine, it is no reason to continually insult me. Just because a case was thrown out does not mean a criminal act did not occur. Even if a case went completely through the system and a person (or in this case a couple of people) is determined "not guilty" by a jury or a judge, it does not mean the person is innocent of the crime. Cases are dismissed for reasons other than guilt and we all know it. The special prosecuter requested the information. If you are going to sling mud, at least get your facts straight.

So why exactly do you need to know what site someone visited before going to yours and/or what site was visited after they visited yours? What does that have to do with improving your site? My reasons to stop using my website are my own business and had nothing to do with my decision not to spy on people.

[irwin]

Originally Posted by Arizona Annie

Just because a case was thrown out does not mean a criminal act did not occur. Even if a case went completely through the system and a person (or in this case a couple of people) is determined "not guilty" by a jury or a judge, it does not mean the person is innocent of the crime. Cases are dismissed for reasons other than guilt and we all know it.

If a case is dismissed or someone is found "not guilty" you are not guilty! That is the law; don't you law and order types always talk about strict guidance to the law?

[Arizona Annie]

Originally Posted by Artliquide

No need to be sorry. I was angry that the person was so inconsiderate and it wasn't even someone either I or my BF know (if a friend had done that, I would have been more forgiving), but it wasn't a big deal overall. I just wanted to illustrate that there are valid reasons to look at the logged info.

Understood. I agree.

[Arizona Annie]

Originally Posted by irwin

If a case is dismissed or someone is found "not guilty" you are not guilty! That is the law; don't you law and order types always talk about strict guidance to the law?

Sorry, I don't agree. If I robbed someone and my high priced lawyer got me off on a technicality, it doesn't mean I didn't rob someone. Not guilty in the eyes of the law, because of what you are describing, is not the same as not doing the crime. Again, my opinion.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by irwin

If a case is dismissed or someone is found "not guilty" you are not guilty! That is the law; don't you law and order types always talk about strict guidance to the law?

Sorry, irwin, not necessarily the case!

"not guilty" is NOT the same as "innocent"!

Never has been and never will be!