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Old 11-11-2007, 07:32 AM
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You know, there are actually more homeless people who are genuinely down on their luck, or had bad things happen to them, than most people realize. Yes, there are some who just want freebies, but a lot of the homeless people I've met are homeless because:

1. They have a mental disorder, were released from the hospital with no chance of surviving on their own (I watched a man have an epileptic seizure after I fed him a burger once...he had just gotten done telling me that he has no money for meds and the only family he has is his mother who struggles to pay her own bills)

2. They have had a hard life (one man insisted that I take a radio he'd found when I offered to buy him food...after he said "no, but thank you" about 3 times...he then told me a bit about his story, which included divorce and losing his job...it happens)

3. They are born into poverty and just can't seem to get out of it (my dad taught at Thomas J. Pappas school for homeless kids over 2 summers, and I assisted him a bit...have you ever met a kid who was so excited to get a pair of used shoes that are worn out and too big for her because the ones she's had for a long time have holes in them? Or, a kid who never eats besides the two free meals they give her at school? These kids loooooove school. It's safe, and it's probably the only place where they and their families are not considered low-lifes because they're homeless...it's also the only constant thing in their lives, since if they're not lucky enough to get into a shelter, they have to move every few weeks after being kicked out of the park)

4. They're kids or adults who were abused or battered and would rather live on the street than keep living that life (I met a woman who made whatever little she could by writing poems for people on the street. She ran away from an abusive husband and is trying to get back on her feet, but it's hard to do when shelters only keep you for so long and companies won't hire people if they have no permanent address or decent clothes)

Try talking to some homeless people...talk to them as human beings and not as scum of the earth which needs to be scraped off our streets (because a street looking "nice" is so much more important than human compassion ). Some of them are junkies, and some are idiots who demand things from you, and some are genuinely down on their luck. I've met far more homeless people in the last category. It makes me ill when people look at other human beings as lower than them or irrelevant.

Sorry, got carried away. So, the homeless situation...there used to be a lot of runaway hippie teens in Tempe. They would jump the train and come to Tempe in the winter. Tempe decided that they're not fit to be on the street (even though their drum jams and general artsy stuff was a better climate, imho, than the now corporate Tempe). Downtown Phoenix has been working on getting rid of homeless people too, since they're turning downtown into yuppieville. Personally, as long as they're not stealing from me or trying to attack me, I don't see why they can't be there. Maybe the cities should build more shelters and create more rehabilitation programs, but then they'd probably say that would be inviting them to stay.

I just read your post about the homeless. I have to tell you that your's is the first intelligent, loving and non-biased post I've read on the subject. Kudos for you! If everyone would get their heads out of their butts and check their egos, this world would be full of people like you, and we probably would'nt have a homeless problem in the first place! Loved your attitude and "street-smarts"!!!

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Old 11-11-2007, 07:55 AM
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It still staggers me to read some of the posts here patting Sheriff Joe on the back. Yes, he has some great ideas, unfortunately, in order to fulfill these dreams of his, he has to actually kill people to do it. Not only that, he changes laws based on his ability to get press coverage - even most judges agree to that one...some judges are so fed up with his antics, they want him out now! Before you angry people start bashing me with "Criminals deserve it, they're Criminals", "Other jails are like hotels", "they live better on the inside" Crap, just try to imagine something:

Lets say YOUR own child has a bad day, decides to call a friend and goes out drinking and gets caught. One of the kids in the car has drugs on him (not yours, but that doesn't matter, does it). He has to spend 3 months in tent city. While there he is repeatedly raped, sodomized and beat up. He can't get the medical treatment he needs because he is as you say a "Criminal" and should'nt deserve human rights. The temperature climbs to 120 that day. He dies from heat exhaustion and his internal wounds from the day's previous beatings. Well, good for you - one more criminal off the street. Oh, forgot......he was an "A" student, a beautiful girlfriend who he'd just proposed to, was applying for classes to start medical school soon, worked as a volunteer 3 days a week teaching "positive thinking" to severely handicapped teens and a role model for his peers. Good thing you got this awful criminal off the streets! He deserved it!

PLEASE PEOPLE......THINK AND LEARN before you throw out any more Praise Sheriff Joe crap. READ about him first...don't just jump on his media bandwagon. That's what he wants, and with people in the world who think the same way he does, we're all doomed.

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Old 11-11-2007, 08:02 AM
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Sheriff Joe is way too easy on these people. No matter what you read, they get things in that jail they should never get. The tent city is OK - but I'd remove the TENTS. This, would easy cut down on the number of inmates is a short amount of time.

He's soft on them is the bottom line.

You think it's hot? Try Iraq.

I love this "Don't do the time, if you can't do the time" .. I'd be happy to make these people wish they were never BORN, let alone the regret of some crime.

USMC1
Look, if and only IF you are truly a marine, thank you for fighting for our rights....I always applaud you men and women. I support our troops 110% and always have, however, I think you should read what Sherrif Joe does BEFORE reacting. As a marine, you are taught to act and not to react. You know better than that. I'm not sure if you are truly a marine based on your response...sounds more like an angry teen (no offense, but if you did fight for my rights, I have a right to say that..........do I not?)

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Old 11-11-2007, 08:10 AM
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Sorry I don't. It was in the Arizona Republic today.
Here's a link to the Arizona Republic Website.
Arizona Republic News - Phoenix Arizona Newspaper - AZ Republic Online - azcentral.com

In the lower left corner is the news archive for the past week. I've examined the last few days news and do not see the article you claimed you saw about a 41 y/o person killed by the police. Unless you can provide a link to the story, I think we're going to have to call BS on this one.

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Old 11-11-2007, 08:35 AM
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Here's a link to the Arizona Republic Website.
Arizona Republic News - Phoenix Arizona Newspaper - AZ Republic Online - azcentral.com

In the lower left corner is the news archive for the past week. I've examined the last few days news and do not see the article you claimed you saw about a 41 y/o person killed by the police. Unless you can provide a link to the story, I think we're going to have to call BS on this one.
Here's the article:

Restrained man dies in Phoenix police custody

I should point out that neither this death nor the others described in the article have anything to do with Sheriff Joe or the MCSO. In this case, the Phoenix PD was the agency involved. I'm no fan of Sheriff Joe, but he can't be blamed in this case.

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Old 11-11-2007, 08:53 AM
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Until it happens to you or yours.
You may feel differently then, or maybe not.
Those in "Joe's Jails" are treated humanly - not with luxury (nor should they be) and Fairly. Those that are on the "Chain Gangs" are those who have asked to be on it and who otherwise qualify.

Joe is arrogant - a media hound - loudmouthed - and one of the best sheriffs in the Nation

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Old 11-11-2007, 08:56 AM
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It still staggers me to read some of the posts here patting Sheriff Joe on the back. Yes, he has some great ideas, unfortunately, in order to fulfill these dreams of his, he has to actually kill people to do it.
Look - Joe does not "kill" anyone. Have inmates died while in custody? Yes. As have other inmates in custody in other jurisdistions throughout the United States - while unfortunate - it happens - all the time

When you get some suspect, high on crack or meth, fighting the deputies, they will be put into restraints - and should be.

Sorry - IMO, you are wrong on this

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Old 11-11-2007, 09:20 AM
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Don't worry, it won't happen to me or anyone I know.
Really?
Jesus, is that you?

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Old 11-11-2007, 09:37 AM
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LAST POST ON SUBJECT JOE:
About once a month I get a "YEAH, GOOD JOB SHERRIF JOE!" email from someone who hasn't the slightest clue what's going on. When I send them my list of articles (pro and con) about our beloved Sheriff, they ALWAYS change their minds.......Not once have I had someone say I was wrong after they've been "educated".
Joe's entire campaign is to grab as much media attention as he can and make unsuspected closed-minded people jump on his bandwagon. To those who know the truth (and obviously do thier homework), nice try....but some people just don't get it. They don't do their homework. These are the same people riding the Sheriffs coat tails into the sunset. It would take someone they actually love suffering at this madman's hands to change their minds.
Hitler tried the same approach, these are the new generation Nazi's.

bye...
time will tell, i just hope you don't lose someone YOU care about

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Old 11-11-2007, 09:38 AM
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Here's the article:

Restrained man dies in Phoenix police custody

I should point out that neither this death nor the others described in the article have anything to do with Sheriff Joe or the MCSO. In this case, the Phoenix PD was the agency involved. I'm no fan of Sheriff Joe, but he can't be blamed in this case.
Thanks Silverbear! I stand corrected, and appreciate your impartial comments.

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