Sheriff Joe (Phoenix, Maricopa: house, rent, lease)

[sindey]

Originally Posted by kdog

Here's a link to the Arizona Republic Website.
Arizona Republic News - Phoenix Arizona Newspaper - AZ Republic Online - azcentral.com

In the lower left corner is the news archive for the past week. I've examined the last few days news and do not see the article you claimed you saw about a 41 y/o person killed by the police. Unless you can provide a link to the story, I think we're going to have to call BS on this one.

the site is not letting me into the archives so you can call it b/s if you want.
it was in yesterdays paper.

[sindey]

Originally Posted by silverbear

Here's the article:

Restrained man dies in Phoenix police custody

I should point out that neither this death nor the others described in the article have anything to do with Sheriff Joe or the MCSO. In this case, the Phoenix PD was the agency involved. I'm no fan of Sheriff Joe, but he can't be blamed in this case.

I stand corrected and am very sorry to have mixed this death up w/Sheriff Joe.
You are correct. It was the Phoenix/PD
again, sorry!

[LadmoFan]

It happens sometimes....don't worry....the question is why a 41-year-old man would suddenly die in custody, especially since a Taser was not used.

It will be interesting to see the autopsy results.

LF

[Arizona Annie]

What happened here on this thread, Sheriff Joe getting blamed for something that had nothing to do with him but rather with DPS, happens constantly. People making statements such as "Sheriff Joe supporters need to be better informed", really need to look at themselves first. There are things Sheriff Joe has actually done that I don't agree with, but there is a lot more that I support. I can understand people being upset with Sheriff Joe if they or someone they care about were convicted of breaking the law or if there is enough evidence against them to hold them pending trial and especially if they are illegal, because he doesn't pull any punches when dealing with the criminals and with the hot issues of illegal immigration. Where others refuse to carry out the laws passed by the citizens, Sheriff Joe refuses not to. He's tough on crime and that is exactly why people in other counties and other states would like to see him move to their counties. I don't blame them. Weighing good and bad, the fact remains that he is doing what we elected him to do. I could care less if he wants to get a little publicity while he is doing it.

[Arizona Annie]

Usually it seems to be drugs. They are already on something that increases their heart rate and then with the activity of thrashing around to avoid being cuffed by the officers increasing their heart rate even more, their heart just can't take it. This guy was even kicking at the officers, which is why his feet were bound as well. I find it sad when people automatically blame our officers when something like this occurs. I think we need to calm down and wait for the autopsy results before placing blame, is all I'm saying. The investigation into the unfortunate death of the alcoholic at the airport on her way to treatment found all kinds of things in her system and that her attempt to set herself free is what killed her. All deaths are unfortunate, but lets not place blame where it doesn't belong.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Arizona Annie

Usually it seems to be drugs. They are already on something that increases their heart rate and then with the activity of thrashing around to avoid being cuffed by the officers increasing their heart rate even more, their heart just can't take it. This guy was even kicking at the officers, which is why his feet were bound as well. I find it sad when people automatically blame our officers when something like this occurs.

Absolutely, Arizona Annie

Our Law Enforcement Officers should never be expected to accept and/or endure that type of abuse and disrespect.

If these goons are strung out on drugs . . . who's fault is that?

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by Maricopa Steve

Although I moved out of 'Maricopa' county several years back, I am confident Sheriff Joe will be reelected again and again. Again I wish we could 'clone' him and sprinkle him around the country.

If you agree with my view, then good, you know what's happening. If not then you probably have had the honor of eating one of Joes sandwiches...

While I do agree that inmates should not have any luxury, sometimes people are framed and go to jail as innocents. One example would be a woman who claims her husband beat her when he didn't. Until he's proven innocent in court he risks dying in tent city.

I'm not against tent city at all, but it's just another perspective to consider.

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by yeah_right

I just read your post about the homeless. I have to tell you that your's is the first intelligent, loving and non-biased post I've read on the subject. Kudos for you! If everyone would get their heads out of their butts and check their egos, this world would be full of people like you, and we probably would'nt have a homeless problem in the first place! Loved your attitude and "street-smarts"!!!

Aww, shucks. Yes, we're turning into a compassionless country. It's too bad that more people can't let the positive human traits shine through, rather than the hateful, resentful aspects.

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by yeah_right

It still staggers me to read some of the posts here patting Sheriff Joe on the back. Yes, he has some great ideas, unfortunately, in order to fulfill these dreams of his, he has to actually kill people to do it. Not only that, he changes laws based on his ability to get press coverage - even most judges agree to that one...some judges are so fed up with his antics, they want him out now! Before you angry people start bashing me with "Criminals deserve it, they're Criminals", "Other jails are like hotels", "they live better on the inside" Crap, just try to imagine something:

Lets say YOUR own child has a bad day, decides to call a friend and goes out drinking and gets caught. One of the kids in the car has drugs on him (not yours, but that doesn't matter, does it). He has to spend 3 months in tent city. While there he is repeatedly raped, sodomized and beat up. He can't get the medical treatment he needs because he is as you say a "Criminal" and should'nt deserve human rights. The temperature climbs to 120 that day. He dies from heat exhaustion and his internal wounds from the day's previous beatings. Well, good for you - one more criminal off the street. Oh, forgot......he was an "A" student, a beautiful girlfriend who he'd just proposed to, was applying for classes to start medical school soon, worked as a volunteer 3 days a week teaching "positive thinking" to severely handicapped teens and a role model for his peers. Good thing you got this awful criminal off the streets! He deserved it!

PLEASE PEOPLE......THINK AND LEARN before you throw out any more Praise Sheriff Joe crap. READ about him first...don't just jump on his media bandwagon. That's what he wants, and with people in the world who think the same way he does, we're all doomed.

Yes, that's exactly it. While I do agree in harsh punishment for people who commit crimes, I agree that there's a fine line. More people deserve individual judgment, rather than being lumped into the "them" category.

[irwin]

Originally Posted by Artliquide

Yes, that's exactly it. While I do agree in harsh punishment for people who commit crimes, I agree that there's a fine line.

I realize in the land of rednecks, cowboy hats, and the OK Corral this may sound crazy but why do you agree with "harsh punishment for people who commit crimes?"

Seriously, what is the reason? Do you think that it will prevent them from turning to crime again? Scare them into shape? Because I hate to break it to you but statistics show that simply is not the case. People simply leave feeling angry, dejected, with little legal skills and now a criminal record hanging over their head that in many cases they can NEVER get out from under...no matter what they do. If you want additional proof, just look at our recidivism rates here in the US.

Don't take this personally as this is more directed in a general sense to people who defend or take as second nature Joe's tactics, but I have a feeling there is something inherent in the attitudes of people there that bring on such beliefs; a little bit of hate, a little bit of vengeance, and a little bit of racism. I think most people in the US, despite claiming to be about loving the individual and the land of opportunity are just looking for the opportunity to throw someone in a dark dungeon and forget about them. Other countries (other than places like China, Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia that is) don't treat people the same way. Interestingly enough they have lower crime rates, lower recidivism, and higher standards of living as well. In a country like Sweden or Switzerland, a man like Sheriff Joe would be called a criminal for the way he treats people; in the US he is cheered by many.