Sheriff Joe (Phoenix: hotels, job, medical)

[LadmoFan]

I am not a racist, nor do I espouse hate, but I do believe in criminals being punished for their crimes. Sheriff Joe is willing to take a tough stance towards crime in an effort to combat the criminal element. I am amazed with the crime statistics I have found statewide. I love Arizona, I was born there, but I often wonder what happened to a state that was once known for its low crime rate.

Also, you mention Switzerland as having a low recidivism rate. Did you know all males I think up to the age of 45 or 50 are required to join the militia? Of course they all maintain a weapon in their home, in case they are called to serve. Did you know that Switzerland has one of the lowest burglary rates worldwide? Hmmm........

Now onto more positive stuff. I do believe criminals should be taught basic educational skills, be given drug rehab if required, and trained for employment, if they are incarcerated long-term.

I do not have a problem with criminals not having access to Playboy or the like, limited TV, sleeping in tents, or even wearing pink boxers. All of this may make life difficult but serving time is not meant to be spent at Club Med.

LF

Originally Posted by irwin

I realize in the land of rednecks, cowboy hats, and the OK Corral this may sound crazy but why do you agree with "harsh punishment for people who commit crimes?"

Seriously, what is the reason? Do you think that it will prevent them from turning to crime again? Scare them into shape? Because I hate to break it to you but statistics show that simply is not the case. People simply leave feeling angry, dejected, with little legal skills and now a criminal record hanging over their head that in many cases they can NEVER get out from under...no matter what they do. If you want additional proof, just look at our recidivism rates here in the US.

Don't take this personally as this is more directed in a general sense to people who defend or take as second nature Joe's tactics, but I have a feeling there is something inherent in the attitudes of people here that bring on such beliefs; a little bit of hate, a little bit of vengeance, and a little bit of racism. I think most people in the US, despite claiming to be about loving the individual and the land of opportunity are just looking for the opportunity to throw someone in a dark dungeon and forget about them. Other countries (other than places like China, Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia that is) don't treat people the same way. Interestingly enough they have lower crime rates, lower recidivism, and higher standards of living as well. In a country like Sweden or Switzerland, a man like Sheriff Joe would be called a criminal for the way he treats people; in the US he is cheered by many.

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by irwin

I realize in the land of rednecks, cowboy hats, and the OK Corral this may sound crazy but why do you agree with "harsh punishment for people who commit crimes?"

Seriously, what is the reason? Do you think that it will prevent them from turning to crime again? Scare them into shape? Because I hate to break it to you but statistics show that simply is not the case. People simply leave feeling angry, dejected, with little legal skills and now a criminal record hanging over their head that in many cases they can NEVER get out from under...no matter what they do. If you want additional proof, just look at our recidivism rates here in the US.

Don't take this personally as this is more directed in a general sense to people who defend or take as second nature Joe's tactics, but I have a feeling there is something inherent in the attitudes of people there that bring on such beliefs; a little bit of hate, a little bit of vengeance, and a little bit of racism. I think most people in the US, despite claiming to be about loving the individual and the land of opportunity are just looking for the opportunity to throw someone in a dark dungeon and forget about them. Other countries (other than places like China, Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia that is) don't treat people the same way. Interestingly enough they have lower crime rates, lower recidivism, and higher standards of living as well. In a country like Sweden or Switzerland, a man like Sheriff Joe would be called a criminal for the way he treats people; in the US he is cheered by many.

I don't live in a trailer, don't eat squirrels for lunch, and I've never owned a cowboy hat. Maricopa County has fewer rednecks than yuppies and soccer moms these days, though I do agree that the Sheriff does have a cowboy mentality, even though he's from the east coast.

Maybe I should redefine "harsh", meaning harsher than those prisons which have cable TV and other luxuries.

People leave angry because they don't get gourmet meals and have to sweat? Give me a break. Why should taxpayers pay for them to be more comfortable than many law abiding citizens are? Those who say that it's cruel to subject them to the temps, that's ridiculous. With proper hydration and some shade (the tents), it might be uncomfortable, but the heat is survivable.

I don't take the racism comment personally, especially because it's not true. Sure, we have racists here, just like every city, but for me, and many others, it's about trying to put a stop to increased crime rates. We happen to have a large amount of illegal immigrants and yes, they do get arrested. They are illegal. Notice I didn't say "Mexican illegal immigrants", which I assume is what you were implying with the racism comment. I don't care what color someone's skin is. If they commit a crime and are caught, they deserve to go to jail and not have a luxurious stay.

Joe isn't entirely ethical, no. You're right about that. However, I support the system he put in place in tent city. Maybe countries like Sweden provide more for their citizens, and therefore, fewer citizens are compelled to commit crimes. That's not the case here in the US. What's wrong with trying to create a slightly safer city by arresting meth lab owners, rapists, DUI drivers, child abusers and molesters, murderers, wife beaters, and those who decide to crash the city illegally (some of whom end up murdering, raping, driving under the influence, etc...)?

[Bummer]

Another great post, Artliquide!

You make perfect sense to me!

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by Bummer

Another great post, Artliquide!

You make perfect sense to me!

Thanks Good to know I'm not spinning my wheels entirely

[Arizona Annie]

Originally Posted by Artliquide

I don't live in a trailer, don't eat squirrels for lunch, and I've never owned a cowboy hat. Maricopa County has fewer rednecks than yuppies and soccer moms these days, though I do agree that the Sheriff does have a cowboy mentality, even though he's from the east coast.

Maybe I should redefine "harsh", meaning harsher than those prisons which have cable TV and other luxuries.

People leave angry because they don't get gourmet meals and have to sweat? Give me a break. Why should taxpayers pay for them to be more comfortable than many law abiding citizens are? Those who say that it's cruel to subject them to the temps, that's ridiculous. With proper hydration and some shade (the tents), it might be uncomfortable, but the heat is survivable.

I don't take the racism comment personally, especially because it's not true. Sure, we have racists here, just like every city, but for me, and many others, it's about trying to put a stop to increased crime rates. We happen to have a large amount of illegal immigrants and yes, they do get arrested. They are illegal. Notice I didn't say "Mexican illegal immigrants", which I assume is what you were implying with the racism comment. I don't care what color someone's skin is. If they commit a crime and are caught, they deserve to go to jail and not have a luxurious stay.

Joe isn't entirely ethical, no. You're right about that. However, I support the system he put in place in tent city. Maybe countries like Sweden provide more for their citizens, and therefore, fewer citizens are compelled to commit crimes. That's not the case here in the US. What's wrong with trying to create a slightly safer city by arresting meth lab owners, rapists, DUI drivers, child abusers and molesters, murderers, wife beaters, and those who decide to crash the city illegally (some of whom end up murdering, raping, driving under the influence, etc...)?

Excellent post as usual Artliquide!

[Arizona Annie]

Originally Posted by irwin

I realize in the land of rednecks, cowboy hats, and the OK Corral this may sound crazy but why do you agree with "harsh punishment for people who commit crimes?"

Seriously, what is the reason? Do you think that it will prevent them from turning to crime again? Scare them into shape? Because I hate to break it to you but statistics show that simply is not the case. People simply leave feeling angry, dejected, with little legal skills and now a criminal record hanging over their head that in many cases they can NEVER get out from under...no matter what they do. If you want additional proof, just look at our recidivism rates here in the US.

Don't take this personally as this is more directed in a general sense to people who defend or take as second nature Joe's tactics, but I have a feeling there is something inherent in the attitudes of people there that bring on such beliefs; a little bit of hate, a little bit of vengeance, and a little bit of racism. I think most people in the US, despite claiming to be about loving the individual and the land of opportunity are just looking for the opportunity to throw someone in a dark dungeon and forget about them. Other countries (other than places like China, Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia that is) don't treat people the same way. Interestingly enough they have lower crime rates, lower recidivism, and higher standards of living as well. In a country like Sweden or Switzerland, a man like Sheriff Joe would be called a criminal for the way he treats people; in the US he is cheered by many.

What would you recommend we do about criminals? I'd really like to hear your thoughts on what you think would be a deterrant to committing additional crimes. We obviously aren't taking the right course currently (in your opinion), so what would you do differently if we voted Sheriff Joe out and elected Sheriff Irwin? Please take this seriously as it is meant to be so. I honestly would like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!
AA

[yeah_right]

Originally Posted by irwin

Sheriff Joe is an embarrassment. It's all a bunch of hype so he can get interviewed by Fox News. And while he's hamming it up for the tv, the crime rate here in Phoenix is exploding. Obviously the pink underwear and chain gangs aren't working too well; but he's not concerned with that.

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[sheena]

Originally Posted by frankie58

Love him or hate him, at least Joe Arpaio is doing his job, which is more than I can say for most of the politicos in AZ.

I love Sheriff Joe. I think he's doing his best and he loves the animals and that get big points with me.

[GT350]

What's your beaf Irwin... Where you in Joe's house once. Is that why you have a beef. I give NO support to criminals, unlike you. As for that guy that was killed...everyone knows he was on drugs and wacked out.
Joe's the only Sheriff in this country that is taking a major stand against illegals. Are you pro illegal too?
Wait til Jan 1st when Joe starts to go after businesses for hiring illegals.

As for Joe in the news all the time...so what. He's an elected offical. He needs his face out there to get re-elected again...and he's got my vote everytime...